"Pardon Me..."

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December 6th, 2024 at 11:39:39 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Uncle Joe should pardon himself as well as all the others Trump says he'll go after.

I can't wait to see how the USSC handles Biden pardoning himself; will they please Trump and deny the request or allow it?

Trump may be having mixed thoughts about the issue given the fact he'll probably want to pardon himself...what if the USSC says a president cannot do that?

December 6th, 2024 at 11:58:54 AM permalink
rxwine
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What would they base a ruling on that a President couldn’t pardon himself? I’ve heard the discussion before but have never seen a single person quote any precedent one way or another to base it on?

I think someone would have quoted at least one founder saying something, “but not the President” or whatever.
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December 6th, 2024 at 1:50:49 PM permalink
Tanko
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Before and After. Bizarro World hypocrite news reader talks pardons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37JnF2fkLlM&t=22s
December 6th, 2024 at 3:54:25 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
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I don't have a problem with Joe pardoning his son. I don't have a problem with Joe issuing pardons for those on Donny's "enemies list". Those individual's are in real danger of having their due process and civil rights violated by the incoming or subsequent administrations, haven committed no crimes. I have a major problem with pardoning some or all of the Jan 6 defendants and convicts for their crimes-alleged and charged. I might have a problem with Joe pardoning himself-there is no evidence that passes and due process standard that he's committed any Federal crime, but that won't stop MAGA from trying to put him on trial. I ahve a problem with the incoming Presdient pardoning himself once he assumes office-he knows he knowingly did wrong. But, the President gets the power to pardon-period. He can get drunk off his rocker and sign the pardon and it's still valid. He can take a bribe and the pardon is probably still good.
December 6th, 2024 at 3:57:07 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: rxwine
What would they base a ruling on that a President couldn’t pardon himself? I’ve heard the discussion before but have never seen a single person quote any precedent one way or another to base it on?

I think someone would have quoted at least one founder saying something, “but not the President” or whatever.


I haven't done any legal research on the matter but it seems to me that, logically enough, the president should be barred from pardoning himself, the same as a trial judge cannot decide his own guilt or innocence in a trial he presides over.
December 6th, 2024 at 3:58:43 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: rxwine
What would they base a ruling on that a President couldn’t pardon himself? I’ve heard the discussion before but have never seen a single person quote any precedent one way or another to base it on?

I think someone would have quoted at least one founder saying something, “but not the President” or whatever.


I haven't done any legal research on the matter but it seems to me that, logically enough, the president should be barred from pardoning himself, the same as a trial judge cannot decide his own guilt or innocence in a trial he presides over.
December 6th, 2024 at 4:23:25 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
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December 6th, 2024 at 4:23:25 PM permalink
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December 6th, 2024 at 4:34:00 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: GenoDRPh
I don't have a problem with Joe pardoning his son. I don't have a problem with Joe issuing pardons for those on Donny's "enemies list". Those individual's are in real danger of having their due process and civil rights violated by the incoming or subsequent administrations, haven committed no crimes.


Funny you did not have this position when the lawfare cases against Trump were proceeding.
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December 6th, 2024 at 5:03:05 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Funny you did not have this position when the lawfare cases against Trump were proceeding.


Because there was no serious allegation that those cases violated his due process or civil rights. Even Judge Cannon said so.
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