Above the law

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November 11th, 2024 at 5:27:54 AM permalink
rxwine
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The Democrats would probably have loved to put McConnel out a long time ago if they could find a crime. He's probably done some things, but nothing to send him packing.

Trump is just a crook, that's the real problem.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
November 11th, 2024 at 10:41:52 AM permalink
PotPie
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Trump was convicted by a jury

there was "voir dire" meaning each side had an opportunity to question the jurors and decide if they were acceptable

he was convicted in NYC which is mostly Democratic but is about 26% Republican

those who want to claim it was a political prosecution cannot explain how it could have been done if there were 3 Republican leaning jurors as the makeup of the entire city suggests

and they cannot explain why the Defense did not find any of the jurors unacceptable after voir dire

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November 11th, 2024 at 10:52:15 AM permalink
RonC
Member since: Nov 7, 2012
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Quote: PotPie
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Trump was convicted by a jury

there was "voir dire" meaning each side had an opportunity to question the jurors and decide if they were acceptable

he was convicted in NYC which is mostly Democratic but is about 26% Republican

those who want to claim it was a political prosecution cannot explain how it could have been done if there were 3 Republican leaning jurors as the makeup of the entire city suggests

and they cannot explain why the Defense did not find any of the jurors unacceptable after voir dire

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They don't get unlimited challenges in voir dire. A quick search 20 is the number in a class A felony (not sure what the Trump charges were and no need to look...there are limits is the point...) BOTH sides get challenges, so the prosecutor can get rid of jurors unfavorable to their side, too.

"Sixty of 96 potential jurors were quick to say they could not be impartial after proceedings began on Monday."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68671733
November 12th, 2024 at 11:05:19 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Trump spent most of his life in NYC: THEY KNOW HIM better than anybody; they are his peers.

Juries of his peers convicted him of felonies and separately determined he committed sexual assault on a woman.

For the Trumpies to now garslight the process is typical yet shameful; this "lawfare" nonsense deflects from the reality of the situation, to wit: he was found guilty and tortious after two fair trials adjudicated by a jury of his peers.

This rascal has demonstrated that yes indeed, he truly IS "above the law."

Hard to decide whether to laugh or cry...
November 12th, 2024 at 11:13:34 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: RonC
They don't get unlimited challenges in voir dire. A quick search 20 is the number in a class A felony (not sure what the Trump charges were and no need to look...there are limits is the point...) BOTH sides get challenges, so the prosecutor can get rid of jurors unfavorable to their side, too.

"Sixty of 96 potential jurors were quick to say they could not be impartial after proceedings began on Monday."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68671733


Lawyers can request that a juror be removed if they believe the juror cannot be impartial. There is no limit to the number of challenges for cause, but the judge must agree that the cause is valid
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November 12th, 2024 at 11:22:37 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
Trump spent most of his life in NYC: THEY KNOW HIM better than anybody; they are his peers.

Juries of his peers convicted him of felonies and separately determined he committed sexual assault on a woman.

For the Trumpies to now garslight the process is typical yet shameful; this "lawfare" nonsense deflects from the reality of the situation, to wit: he was found guilty and tortious after two fair trials adjudicated by a jury of his peers.

This rascal has demonstrated that yes indeed, he truly IS "above the law."

Hard to decide whether to laugh or cry...


Nobody cares about that kangaroo court. Get over it. You sound like the people who made the www.nogoal.com website. Your whining will not send the election to Harris any more than that changed who won the cup.
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November 12th, 2024 at 11:34:01 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: AZDuffman
Nobody cares about that kangaroo court. Get over it. You sound like the people who made the www.nogoal.com website. Your whining will not send the election to Harris any more than that changed who won the cup.


As a Libertarian I could care less that Kamala lost; I voted for another candidate, one whom I expected to lose: I don't whine over that loss.

It is Trump and this "lawfare" baloney that's in my sights, and if you're too politicized to note that I am complaining and not whining then that's on you.

Nobody in the USA has ever been, objectively and legally, "above the law" until now.

"Kangaroo court?"

You must be referring to the USSC.

Trump and his minions have cleverly kept his fat ass out of a prison cell which was his main goal.

Looting the treasury will be their follow-up play: can the USA file bankruptcy?

A classic play from the Trump playbook.
November 12th, 2024 at 11:52:31 AM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: PotPie
he was convicted in NYC which is mostly Democratic but is about 26% Republican


He was convicted by a Manhattan jury before a Manhattan judge.

91% of the voters in Manhattan are registered Democrats.

Same for Brooklyn and the Bronx.

If the voir dire accomplished anything, it found jurors who were slightly less anti-Trump than others in the pool.

It was a kangaroo court.

Had the trial been held in Staten Island, where the numbers are nearly even, Trump never would have been convicted.
November 12th, 2024 at 12:00:34 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Tanko
He was convicted by a Manhattan jury before a Manhattan judge.

91% of the voters in Manhattan are registered Democrats.

Same for Brooklyn and the Bronx.

If the voir dire accomplished anything, it found jurors who were slightly less anti-Trump than others in the pool.

It was a kangaroo court.

Had the trial been held in Staten Island, where the numbers are nearly even, Trump never would have been convicted.

I think jurors ignore politics and look at the evidence
I certainly do
Politics is meaningless to me when it comes to breaking the law
If Trump or Biden breaks the law , they should be prosecuted regardless of what political party they belong to.
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
November 12th, 2024 at 12:22:58 PM permalink
missedhervee
Member since: Apr 23, 2021
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Quote: Tanko
He was convicted by a Manhattan jury before a Manhattan judge. 91% of the voters in Manhattan are registered Democrats.


Like I said, it was "a jury of his peers."

Oh, did you forget that until fairly recently Trump was a democrat?

Let me refresh your memory: he was a registered democrat in NYC from 2001-2009.

The opportunistic oaf changed political affiliations after "reading the political tea leaves."

You MAGA folk slay me: you actually buy into his BS that he cares about anybody other than himself.
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