Israeli conflict

October 12th, 2024 at 12:24:09 PM permalink
terapined
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That’s just not how life works. If Mexico launched missiles at San Diego, and killed 10 Americans, you think we should only take action until10 Mexicans are dead? No, we take action until we know Mexico can’t launch any more missiles! I’m not counting the number of dead Mexicans, I’m counting the number of saved Americans.

I’m not demanding ANY blood. I’m just demanding the mission be finished. First and foremost is returning the 100 or so hostages. I don’t care how many hostage holders and their collaborators are killed in trying to free those hostages. I’m demanding that not a single missile be launched from Gaza/Lebanon/Iran at Israel. If you could convince me of a different plan to accomplish those two things I’d be all for Israel accepting that peace.

I would hope the USA would act THE EXACT SAME WAY towards any country that attacked us like Israel was attacked.

You don’t want your people killed? Don’t commit a massacre, take hostages, and launch missiles at Israel. It’s quite simple.

There is a deep long long long history of oppression of the Palestinian people that you ignore
76 years
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israels-occupation-76-years-of-palestinian-tragedy/3217700
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October 12th, 2024 at 2:01:06 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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There is a deep long long long history of oppression of the Palestinian people that you ignore
76 years
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israels-occupation-76-years-of-palestinian-tragedy/3217700


Which would end if they didn’t send their kids on busses as suicide bombers, missile from their territory into Israel, etc…

How about as a start just saying Israel as a state has a right to exist!! They won’t, because there raison d etre IS the destruction of the state of Israel, with the death of every Jew there. That’s been true for 76 years.

Regardless…. Gaza would not be a rubble filled parking lot if not for the barbaric attack on the civilian population of Israel a year ago. Hamas had a choice. Slaughter innocent civilians and get Gaza turned into a wasteland, or don’t slaughter those civilians. Hamas made its choice.
October 12th, 2024 at 2:08:44 PM permalink
terapined
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How about as a start just saying Israel as a state has a right to exist!! .

I've never been a zionist
I don't believe in God.
My opinion is that religion has as much validity as the ancient Greek gods
I side with the ultra orthodox on this issue
Creating Israel created unending violence in the middle east
I don't believe in religious states
The foundation of any religious state is a fantasy

My best friend is Jewish and I've worked with many Jews and they became friends
I just don't see any need for them to have their own country.
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October 12th, 2024 at 2:22:35 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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I've never been a zionist
I don't believe in God.
My opinion is that religion has as much validity as the ancient Greek gods
I side with the ultra orthodox on this issue
Creating Israel created unending violence in the middle east
I don't believe in religious states
The foundation of any religious state is a fantasy

My best friend is Jewish and I've worked with many Jews and they became friends
I just don't see any need for them to have their own country.


How many Jews are left in Iran? Iraq? Lebanon? Egypt? If they don’t have ‘their own country’ they have nothing in the Middle East. Israel has literally millions of Muslims and Christians living happily and peacefully inside its borders. Not so much for Jews in the rest of the Muslim dominated Middle East.
October 12th, 2024 at 2:51:23 PM permalink
terapined
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How many Jews are left in Iran? Iraq? Lebanon? Egypt? If they don’t have ‘their own country’ they have nothing in the Middle East. Israel has literally millions of Muslims and Christians living happily and peacefully inside its borders. Not so much for Jews in the rest of the Muslim dominated Middle East.

Let's say we both move to Israel and want to become citizens
Do you have more rights then me??????????????
Of course
We will both be treated differently because of religion
Why should religion determine rights
Why should you have more rights then me???????????
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October 12th, 2024 at 3:03:04 PM permalink
rxwine
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How about as a start just saying Israel as a state has a right to exist!!


Is the high migration of Jewish people to what is now Israel after W2 and the subsequent bad reaction of people in the area help prove people make terrible rash an improper judgement about people flooding into an area, treating them as criminal like Trump does all the time to south of the border crossers?
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
October 12th, 2024 at 8:26:23 PM permalink
Gandler
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Columbia students, most getting a free ride, demonstrating against Israel today. One year after the attack.

Despite an $18 billion endowment, Columbia receives $1.2 billion a year in public funding from grants supposedly for 'research'.

Since the school doesn't have to spend it's own funds on research, these grants allow the school to spend more on tuition aid.

It normally costs $90,000 a year to attend Columbia, but most students receive a financial aid package of $74,000.

If their family's income is less than $150,000 tuition is free.


Sadly antisemitic propogandists have taken over many colleges, and many students view it as edgy without know anything on the subject.

Protesting Israel is not anti semitism
Plenty of Jews protest against Israel
Especially the hard core ultra orthodox


Saying the Ultra Orthodox represents Judaism, is like saying Islamists represents Islam. It is a fringe group.

Opposing Israel is not inherently antisemitic, but there is usually a lot of common threads. But, many college students are chanting many things that are antisemitic (rivers and seas, etc....)
October 12th, 2024 at 8:30:08 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: Gandler
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Columbia students, most getting a free ride, demonstrating against Israel today. One year after the attack.

Despite an $18 billion endowment, Columbia receives $1.2 billion a year in public funding from grants supposedly for 'research'.

Since the school doesn't have to spend it's own funds on research, these grants allow the school to spend more on tuition aid.

It normally costs $90,000 a year to attend Columbia, but most students receive a financial aid package of $74,000.

If their family's income is less than $150,000 tuition is free.


Sadly antisemitic propogandists have taken over many colleges, and many students view it as edgy without know anything on the subject.

Protesting Israel is not anti semitism
Plenty of Jews protest against Israel
Especially the hard core ultra orthodox


Saying the Ultra Orthodox represents Judaism, is like saying Islamists represents Islam. It is a fringe group.

Opposing Israel is not inherently antisemitic, but there is usually a lot of common threads. But, many college students are chanting many things that are antisemitic (rivers and seas, etc....)
October 12th, 2024 at 8:46:52 PM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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Quote: terapined
Quote: Gandler
Quote: Tanko
Columbia students, most getting a free ride, demonstrating against Israel today. One year after the attack.

Despite an $18 billion endowment, Columbia receives $1.2 billion a year in public funding from grants supposedly for 'research'.

Since the school doesn't have to spend it's own funds on research, these grants allow the school to spend more on tuition aid.

It normally costs $90,000 a year to attend Columbia, but most students receive a financial aid package of $74,000.

If their family's income is less than $150,000 tuition is free.


Sadly antisemitic propogandists have taken over many colleges, and many students view it as edgy without know anything on the subject.

Protesting Israel is not anti semitism
Plenty of Jews protest against Israel
Especially the hard core ultra orthodox


Saying the Ultra Orthodox represents Judaism, is like saying Islamists represents Islam. It is a fringe group.

Opposing Israel is not inherently antisemitic, but there is usually a lot of common threads. But, many college students are chanting many things that are antisemitic (rivers and seas, etc....)
November 3rd, 2024 at 12:21:06 PM permalink
terapined
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