General Election 2024

Quote: DoubleGold

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"Openly asserting that one is the duly appointed elector of state, even when that claim is utterly without merit[...]is to make an argument about one's status under the law. It is not an attempt to dupe recipients with counterfeit papers,"....

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In this case, the claim could be with merit, aka fraud, such as persons on more than one state voter roles and the same person votes more than once, once in each state.

But I think it could be any voting fraud.

The gambit could really be Trump selecting a loyal VP that is willing to be prosecuted to save the USA by opening the envelope.

I think it is up to the governor, or at least some commission in the state, to verify the slate of electors. It was not up to Pence, the VP has basically a ceremonial role

Quote: odiousgambit

Quote: DoubleGold

From the same source:

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"Openly asserting that one is the duly appointed elector of state, even when that claim is utterly without merit[...]is to make an argument about one's status under the law. It is not an attempt to dupe recipients with counterfeit papers,"....

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In this case, the claim could be with merit, aka fraud, such as persons on more than one state voter roles and the same person votes more than once, once in each state.

But I think it could be any voting fraud.

The gambit could really be Trump selecting a loyal VP that is willing to be prosecuted to save the USA by opening the envelope.

I think it is up to the governor, or at least some commission in the state, to verify the slate of electors. It was not up to Pence, the VP has basically a ceremonial role

It never passed that stage, so Trump could be off the hook.

Quote: ams288

Hillary Clinton called Donny to concede in the early morning hours of 11/9/16 and gave her concession speech roughly 12 hours after the polls closed. What are you trying to compare that to?

To me, if you look at what everyone did or tried to do, you get an important distinction. Did Clinton call an election official in a state and ask him to find more votes? (I get tired of repeating a list of all the same things the Trump team attempted, so not going to bother)

Does it matter if no one succeeds at what they're trying to do? Not that much. About as much as proving an attempted arson or murder charge.

Or attempted insurrection.

Two possible reductions in seriousness of charges.
...possible leniency if you're a child,
...Possible leniency if you're incompetent.

...possible leniency if you're an adult and a buffoon. F*** no! People keep making excuses for adult buffoons on Jan 6 because of their poor execution.

edit, buffoon, probably too close to being "idiot". "ignorant" might be a better choice.

I'm showing this one, even though it's from the establishment, because Trump was under the impression that Pence and he were in agreement within constitutional law.

We later found out they were not in agreement, for whatever reason.

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Trump claims he and Pence agree on VP's election authority

JANUARY 6, 2021
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Mr. Trump, in a statement issued by the Trump campaign, claimed he and Pence are on the same page. Pence has not issued such a statement independently.

"The New York Times report regarding comments Vice President Pence supposedly made to me today is fake news. He never said that. The Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act," Mr. Trump said in the statement. "Our Vice President has several options under the U.S. Constitution. He can decertify the results or send them back to the states for change and certification. He can also decertify the illegal and corrupt results and send them to the House of Representatives for the one vote for one state tabulation."
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"I hope Mike Pence comes through for us," Mr. Trump said on Monday night. He also tweeted on Tuesday that the vice president "has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors." There is no evidence the electors were chosen fraudulently, and the 12th Amendment suggests that Pence's powers are really more ceremonial. He "shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted."
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-pence-vp-authority-electoral-college-vote-count/

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Quote: odiousgambit

Let's quit being partisan and blaming one side or the other [yeah, I slip into that pretty easily too. Guilty. ] If we can all agree on the best way to run elections so that neither side can come back with a credible complaint that they were cheated, then hopefully the general public will be more comfortable with ignoring such claims [yes, I don't doubt they will continue no matter what]

I realize our deflectors will come back with more claims from Homeland Security and it's politically appointed apparatchiks that the last election was so clean heavenly choirs were heard to sing ... without stopping to reflect that only one side seems to really be able to say that with a straight face. The restraint that is seen from such Republicans that are showing it is largely due to the desire to "move on". This is a serious business, potentially a constitutional crisis can arise from it. I'll remind all here again that if you think you want elections with known problematic aspects and the escalating mania that is resulting, you need to quit assuming that your constituency is safe from the chaos that will result should this path continue. History, even recent history, says that assumption is not good.

There are no credible complaints that one side was cheated in 2020. Nor were there in 2016, nor in 2012 or 2008 or in 2004. One can argue about 2000 in FL, but SCOTUS has spoken, and that was that. You're whole premise is based on a lie-that there were credible complaints of cheating or there was actual cheating. None have proven to be true, and no complaints have withstood even a modest amount of scrutiny. The escalating mania is coming from one side, who refuses to accept the results of a full free and fair election because a man they chose to be dictator was removed from office in democratic process by the express will of the voters..

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: odiousgambit

Let's quit being partisan and blaming one side or the other [yeah, I slip into that pretty easily too. Guilty. ] If we can all agree on the best way to run elections so that neither side can come back with a credible complaint that they were cheated, then hopefully the general public will be more comfortable with ignoring such claims [yes, I don't doubt they will continue no matter what]

I realize our deflectors will come back with more claims from Homeland Security and it's politically appointed apparatchiks that the last election was so clean heavenly choirs were heard to sing ... without stopping to reflect that only one side seems to really be able to say that with a straight face. The restraint that is seen from such Republicans that are showing it is largely due to the desire to "move on". This is a serious business, potentially a constitutional crisis can arise from it. I'll remind all here again that if you think you want elections with known problematic aspects and the escalating mania that is resulting, you need to quit assuming that your constituency is safe from the chaos that will result should this path continue. History, even recent history, says that assumption is not good.

There are no credible complaints that one side was cheated in 2020. Nor were there in 2016, nor in 2012 or 2008 or in 2004. One can argue about 2000 in FL, but SCOTUS has spoken, and that was that. You're whole premise is based on a lie-that there were credible complaints of cheating or there was actual cheating. None have proven to be true, and no complaints have withstood even a modest amount of scrutiny. The escalating mania is coming from one side, who refuses to accept the results of a full free and fair election because a man they chose to be dictator was removed from office in democratic process by the express will of the voters..

Well said.

Expect his response to be a rambling dissertation about the evils of the MSM.

The "credible" computer evidence showed up right before the election.

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Spies who lie: 51 ‘intelligence’ experts refuse to apologize for discrediting true Hunter Biden story

Updated March 20, 2022
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They are the supposed nonpartisan group of top spies looking out for the best interest of the nation.

But the 51 former “intelligence” officials who cast doubt on The Post’s Hunter Biden laptop stories in a public letter really were just desperate to get Joe Biden elected president. And more than a year later, even after their Deep State sabotage has been shown again and again to be a lie, they refuse to own up to how they undermined an election.
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https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/

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undermine
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transitive verb

1: to subvert or weaken insidiously or secretly trying to undermine his political rivals

2: to weaken or ruin by degrees

3: to wash away supporting material from under

4: to excavate the earth beneath : form a mine under : SAP
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/undermine

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"Former President Trump tops Joe Biden with young voters by six points, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll.
The Times admits it is shocked by Trump’s 49 to 43 percent lead among voters aged 18-29"

Is there any group where Trump is not in the lead? Meanwhile it's being reported that Captain poopy pants refuses to accept his age and tells everyone that he actually feels young. This often happens to people who have dementia, they are totally unaware of their limitations.

"Biden’s reluctance to acknowledge his physical limitations at age 81 is causing some tension on his team, as senior aides and First Lady Jill Biden push him to rest more and be vigilant about his health going into 2024,”

So Joe Biden is 81 and because his brain is gone he thinks he's 27. And this is the guy in charge of the country. Good grief. So when he goes out there in public and fumbles and bumbles and mumbles every other sentence and then wanders around the stage wondering where he is, he actually thinks he's doing great. That's dementia, I saw it first hand in my wife's parents.

wow, the Deflectors did get busy with their deflections ... oh, wait, I predicted that

there is a lot of trust here with them that if we make no changes in the way we run our elections, and, further, preserve the new things that were supposed to be emergency measures, all will be well

If the public loses trust in our elections, it won't affect them badly, they have control over that! .................... it seems, eh?