General Election 2024

Quote: Gandler

It was not stolen. There have been endless court hearings about it, nothing....
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Do you have any idea how easy it is to present sham evidence on purpose at a court hearing just to have it thrown out so you can say look, we had a court hearing and they found nothing. I keep forgetting you're quite young. And inexperienced

Quote: RonC

Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams also had issues with the elections.

And both of them are still screaming that those elections were fixed. But if Trump says it he's some kind of Federal Criminal.

Quote: Evenbob

But if Trump says it he's some kind of Federal Criminal.

Mostly because of the federal crimes he committed.

Quote: ams288

I think I’d be grumpy online too if I knew one day soon I was going to die alone and get eaten by my clowder of cats.

That is the kind of memorable way that I want to go out.

Quote: ams288

My Republican parents have done mail-in voting in red state Ohio for nearly a decade now.

I can’t wait to hear what never-before-allowed voting malfeasances that odious claims allowed the Dems to cheat in 2020.

Bever-before-allowed voting...that we've had since the days of the Continental Army.

Quote: odiousgambit

The extent of mailed-out-mailed-in voting had never been seen before. Early voting to an extent never seen before [I'm not against this one, but 'just saying']. Allowing 'ballot harvesting' in some states. Mailing out the ballots where it hadn't been done before was very rushed and was immediately shown to be a cluster-f*** . More no-ID voting than ever before. I'm sure I missed something. Ipso facto ridiculous to claim it was the cleanest election ever.

You live under a rock or something.

Experts in Homeland Security whose job it is to maintain secure and clean elections tell us it was the securest and cleanest election ever.

Quote: odiousgambit

A national system to connect state and local voter registration lists

Voter identification based on a universally available REAL ID card

Policies to improve voter access for all communities, as well as innovations like vote centers and voter information lookup sites

Stronger efforts to combat fraud, especially in absentee voting

Auditable paper backups for all voting technology

It is also well known that Carter was totally against mailed-out-then-mailed-in-ballots
https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/carter-baker-commission-16-years-later

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: odiousgambit

A national system to connect state and local voter registration lists

Voter identification based on a universally available REAL ID card

Policies to improve voter access for all communities, as well as innovations like vote centers and voter information lookup sites

Stronger efforts to combat fraud, especially in absentee voting

Auditable paper backups for all voting technology

It is also well known that Carter was totally against mailed-out-then-mailed-in-ballots
https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/carter-baker-commission-16-years-later

I don't know much about point one, and if I emphasized each one it would be the same as not emphasizing any

Quote: odiousgambit

A national system to connect state and local voter registration lists

Voter identification based on a universally available REAL ID card

Policies to improve voter access for all communities, as well as innovations like vote centers and voter information lookup sites

Stronger efforts to combat fraud, especially in absentee voting

Auditable paper backups for all voting technology

Quote: Gandler

Link comes up 404. Got a better one?

when you click on a link in a quote in DT, it seldom works, as the way it's done adds the 'end quote' thing to the link, making it something that does not exist. I think maybe this doesn't happen at WoV. Here it is again and I'll test it. https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/carter-baker-commission-16-years-later

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The ironic thing is, at the end of the day, as a political organization the GOP cares about only one thing, winning elections. They have supported mail in ballots when it benefits them, and (more recently) oppose it when it does not. Same with ID laws and anything else. They have no fixed principle except to try to win (and blame losses on conspiracies or wrongdoing.)

Let's quit being partisan and blaming one side or the other [yeah, I slip into that pretty easily too. Guilty. ] If we can all agree on the best way to run elections so that neither side can come back with a credible complaint that they were cheated, then hopefully the general public will be more comfortable with ignoring such claims [yes, I don't doubt they will continue no matter what]

I realize our deflectors will come back with more claims from Homeland Security and it's politically appointed apparatchiks that the last election was so clean heavenly choirs were heard to sing ... without stopping to reflect that only one side seems to really be able to say that with a straight face. The restraint that is seen from such Republicans that are showing it is largely due to the desire to "move on". This is a serious business, potentially a constitutional crisis can arise from it. I'll remind all here again that if you think you want elections with known problematic aspects and the escalating mania that is resulting, you need to quit assuming that your constituency is safe from the chaos that will result should this path continue. History, even recent history, says that assumption is not good.

Quote: Mission146

You realize that amounts to, "It was so stupid that nobody could have possibly taken it seriously; thus, we did nothing illegal"?

I mean, maybe that'll work. I think people disrupting the Capitol procedures (which they were as much as encouraged by Trump to do) is going to make that a tougher argument. Also, we're talking about official Congressional proceedings, not The Onion writing a parody article and demanding it be protected as Free Speech.

From the same source:

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"Openly asserting that one is the duly appointed elector of state, even when that claim is utterly without merit[...]is to make an argument about one's status under the law. It is not an attempt to dupe recipients with counterfeit papers,"....

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In this case, the claim could be with merit, aka voter fraud, such as persons on more than one state's voter roles and the same person votes more than once, once in each state.

But I think it could be any voting fraud.

The gambit could really be Trump selecting a loyal VP that is willing to be prosecuted to save the USA by opening the envelope.