Reopening fiasco?

Update. The relatives from Canada, the wife of the brother is in the hospital with covid. Her blood oxygen level is supposed to be 94 and it tested at 80. All of these people in the van have college degrees and good jobs or are retired from good jobs. They are all furious with the government and the media for making them feel safe by getting vaccinated. By making them think they were protected and could mingle with people who potentially had: covid. They never fooled me for a minute. It was all way too easy. I said as long as people are still being hospitalized and dying of covid I ain't going anywhere.

Quote: Evenbob

Update. The relatives from Canada, the wife of the brother is in the hospital with covid. Her blood oxygen level is supposed to be 94 and it tested at 80. All of these people in the van have college degrees and good jobs or are retired from good jobs. They are all furious with the government and the media for making them feel safe by getting vaccinated. By making them think they were protected and could mingle with people who potentially had: covid. They never fooled me for a minute. It was all way too easy. I said as long as people are still being hospitalized and dying of covid I ain't going anywhere.

I started to type the question into Google and only got a couple words before it gave me the answer I wanted to know.

"When oxygen levels become low (oxygen saturation < 85%), patients are usually intubated and placed on mechanical ventilation.Jun 8, 2020" Scary stuff.

https://www.google.com/search?q=at+what+oxygen+level+is+a+ventilator+needed&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS839US839&oq=at+what+oxyge&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i512l8.8002j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Quote: Evenbob

Update. The relatives from Canada, the wife of the brother is in the hospital with covid. Her blood oxygen level is supposed to be 94 and it tested at 80. All of these people in the van have college degrees and good jobs or are retired from good jobs. They are all furious with the government and the media for making them feel safe by getting vaccinated. By making them think they were protected and could mingle with people who potentially had: covid. They never fooled me for a minute. It was all way too easy. I said as long as people are still being hospitalized and dying of covid I ain't going anywhere.

Are any from the reunion coming down with it?

Quote: petroglyph

Are any from the reunion coming down with it?

So far no because it was held outdoors. It seems most people get covid from being in close quarters with someone who has it. Like in a car or an elevator or an office cubicle or in a home situation

Quote: Evenbob

 They are all furious with the government and the media for making them feel safe by getting vaccinated. ... They never fooled me for a minute.

I'm glad that you had such wisdom, but frankly I despair that all those smart people in the car had interpreted the government and media as telling them that they were safe mingling with covid spreaders. I see no such message.
You are in mortal danger if you mingle and are unvaccinated.
You are in less danger if you mingle and are vaccinated
Nowhere have I seen
You are in no danger if you mingle and are vaccinated.

Here: Have some actual numbers...
https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-protection-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-2021-7?op=1&r=US&IR=T

Your car load of smart people should have been furious at the coughing, infected, unvaccinated one, who probably wasn't even masked.

They all had the actual data available to analyse for themselves. But they seem to have chosen some sort of anecdotal 'Bah! go for it, you will be fine' from some miscellaneous site or sites.

Quote: Evenbob

It seems most people get covid from being in close quarters with someone who has it. Like in a car or an elevator or an office cubicle or in a home situation

Who didn't know that?

Quote: rxwine

If you don't know by now how an individual can avoid contracting the virus with a high probability of success in the outside world, why don't you ask SOOPOO or any other reputable medical professional? And listen this time.

Ever hear Sean Hannity tell how a store in NYC he shops at has no employee incidents of contracting the virus.

If you're reading critically, you need more practice.

There's very few jobs where you couldn't work with such measures. Even in some of those you can still use limited measures.

This is not an answer. You said we needed to get the country to "cooperate for 21 days." With what, exactly? What measures would have knocked the virus down in 21 days? How does one shop scale up to the entire nation?

Quote: OnceDear

I'm glad that you had such wisdom, but frankly I despair that all those smart people in the car had interpreted the government and media as telling them that they were safe mingling with covid spreaders. I see no such message.

You don't? I hear constantly that you will be safe with the vax. That 99% of the people with covid now were unvaxed. The mere fact that the whole idea of a vaccine is you are safe.

The message they are giving is clear, get the vax and you are safe. Don't bother posting a ton of stats as it does not matter, that is the message being put out.

Quote: AZDuffman

Don't bother posting a ton of stats as it does not matter, that is the message being put out.

“Don’t bother contradicting my dumb opinion with actual facts!”

Quote: kenarman

US states had very different mask mandates yet the states are quite consistent in the percentage of people who have had Covid. If we pick 11% of population having had Covid than 38 states are within 20% of that figure. Most of the outliers are smaller and more remote states. Given the wide variety of shut downs and variety of mandates we would expect a lot more difference in numbers between states if the measures were highly effective.

I am not sure if that is true. Other factors may be far more important than mask rules. Beisdes the states with lax mask rules were often the ones with low death rates.
Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. The data was last updated May 28.
New Jersey: 295 Population: 8.9 million residents
New York: 271 Population: 19.4 million
Massachusetts: 259 Population: 6.9 million
Rhode Island: 256 Population: 1.1 million
Mississippi: 245 Population: 3 million
Arizona: 242 Population: 7.3 million
Connecticut: 231 Population: 3.6 million
Alabama: 227 Population: 4.9 million
Louisiana: 227 Population: 4.6 million
South Dakota: 227 Population: 884,659
Pennsylvania: 213 Population: 12.8 million
Michigan: 203 Population: 10 million
New Mexico: 203 Population: 2.1 million
Indiana: 202 Population: 6.7 million
North Dakota: 202 Population: 762,062
Illinois: 198 Population: 12.7 million
Arkansas: 193 Population: 3 million
Iowa: 192 Population: 3.2 million
Georgia: 190 Population: 10.6 million
South Carolina: 189 Population: 5.1 million
Oklahoma: 184 Population: 4 million
Nevada: 181 Population: 3.1 million
Tennessee: 181 Population: 6.8 million
Texas: 178 Population: 30 million
Kansas: 175 Population: 2.9 million
Florida: 171 Population: 21.5 million
Delaware: 170 Population: 973,764
Ohio: 169 Population: 11.7 million
California: 160 Population: 39.5 million
District of Columbia: 160 Population: 705,749
Maryland: 158 Population: 6 million
Missouri: 157 Population: 6.1 million
West Virginia: 156 Population: 1.8 million
Kentucky: 155 Population: 4.5 million
Montana: 151 Population: 1.1 million
Wisconsin: 134 Population: 5.8 million
Minnesota: 133 Population: 5.6 million
Virginia: 131 Population: 8.5 million
North Carolina: 125 Population: 10.5 million
Wyoming: 124 Population: 578,759
Nebraska: 123 Population: 1.9 million
Idaho: 117 Population: 1.8 million
Colorado: 116 Population: 5.8 million
New Hampshire: 99 Population: 1.4 million
Washington: 76 Population: 7.6 million
Utah: 72 Population: 3.2 million
Oregon: 64 Population: 4.2 million
Maine: 61 Population: 1.3 million
Alaska: 48 Population: 731,545
Vermont: 41 Population: 623,989
Hawaii: 35 Population: 1.4 million

Quote: AZDuffman

You don't? I hear constantly that you will be safe with the vax. That 99% of the people with covid now were unvaxed. The mere fact that the whole idea of a vaccine is you are safe.

The message they are giving is clear, get the vax and you are safe. Don't bother posting a ton of stats as it does not matter, that is the message being put out.

only an idiot would believe you are safe if you got vaccinated. most people realize that you are safer if you got vaccinated.

to me it is like saying you are safe driving if you wear a seatbelt. no, you are safer.