Getting real tired of Kamala Harris already.

November 16th, 2021 at 1:31:28 PM permalink
fleaswatter
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Exasperation and dysfunction: Inside Kamala Harris' frustrating start as vice president

The day after CNN published the above hit piece on kommie-la hair-ass she gets embarrased at the White House: LOL LOL



November 16th, 2021 at 2:46:05 PM permalink
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Exasperation and dysfunction: Inside Kamala Harris' frustrating start as vice president

The day after CNN published the above hit piece on kommie-la hair-ass she gets embarrased at the White House: LOL LOL




It's much ado about nothing
VP only has one job
She is on deck while Biden is batting for the next few years
It's pretty obvious her low ratings are due to her being a Woman of color
Their job is literally sit back and do nothing unless a senate tie.
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November 16th, 2021 at 3:10:22 PM permalink
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It's much ado about nothing
VP only has one job
She is on deck while Biden is batting for the next few years
It's pretty obvious her low ratings are due to her being a Woman of color
Their job is literally sit back and do nothing unless a senate tie.


So, you're telling me...of the 72% to give any answer other than, "Approve," many of whom mathematically had to be Democrats (or the worst polling sample ever) that the reason she is not approved of is because she is a woman of color?

Or, more to the point, that every single White Non-Hispanic voter basically rates her poorly because she is a woman of color and even some minorities feel the same way, also.

I would say female Democrats, but technically if every single female registered Democrat approves of Harris and literally every male (including Democrats) and every female of any other party does not explicitly approve of her, your statement could be true.

Can you please try to make good arguments? I only ask because I know you are capable of it.
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November 16th, 2021 at 3:52:38 PM permalink
terapined
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So, you're telling me...of the 72% to give any answer other than, "Approve," many of whom mathematically had to be Democrats (or the worst polling sample ever) that the reason she is not approved of is because she is a woman of color?

Or, more to the point, that every single White Non-Hispanic voter basically rates her poorly because she is a woman of color and even some minorities feel the same way, also.

I would say female Democrats, but technically if every single female registered Democrat approves of Harris and literally every male (including Democrats) and every female of any other party does not explicitly approve of her, your statement could be true.

Can you please try to make good arguments? I only ask because I know you are capable of it.

72% gave a flippant answer
It like a Presidential poll, meaningless because people are not voting for years and just have a whim right now regarding the center
What news story is there to follow about her?
She has no power
None
Nothing
Except to break a tie
Has she done anything for you to give a thumbs down
The only people paying attention to her are the ones that hate her
I try to follow the news and I literally have not read a single story involving her since she got elected
If there were stories
They are meaningless
She has no power if there is no tie in the senate
Prrtty much a non entity to.me
Simply on deck and thats it
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November 16th, 2021 at 4:02:46 PM permalink
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72% gave a flippant answer
It like a Presidential poll, meaningless because people are not voting for years and just have a whim right now regarding the center
What news story is there to follow about her?
She has no power
None
Nothing
Except to break a tie
Has she done anything for you to give a thumbs down
The only people paying attention to her are the ones that hate her
I try to follow the news and I literally have not read a single story involving her since she got elected
If there were stories
They are meaningless
She has no power if there is no tie in the senate
Prrtty much a non entity to.me
Simply on deck and thats it


Okay, well, then the reason is because they gave a flippant answer. As long as they didn't give a flippant answer because she is a minority woman, then it's not because she's a minority woman.

She hasn't done anything that would warrant a thumbs up-or-down from me, so if asked, my answer would be, "No Opinion." That wouldn't go against her net approval rating, but it certainly would not constitute me approving of her.

She's not even really a tie vote in the Senate, if you really think about it, because you can name any possible tie to break and you would know, in advance, how she's going to break it. She's a default, "Whatever the Democrats/Biden want," vote. With that, she doesn't even really have power if there is a tie in the Senate; she's just physically required to be there to break the tie.
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November 16th, 2021 at 7:24:47 PM permalink
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With that, she doesn't even really have power if there is a tie in the Senate; she's just physically required to be there to break the tie.


I heard from an unconfirmed source that a Vice President can initiate overturning an election. That's some mighty power. Even the Supreme Court needs more than a single judge to get close to doing something like that.

j/k
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November 16th, 2021 at 8:27:24 PM permalink
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Okay, well, then the reason is because they gave a flippant answer. As long as they didn't give a flippant answer because she is a minority woman, then it's not because she's a minority woman.
.

Its both
She gets a lot of bad press and people are too lazy to dig deep and just say don't approve.
What really drives this is hate.
The hate from the right is extreme in my opinion
She hasn't done anything because she has no power
But the right are absolutely livid that she is VP.
The hate to me is absurd but there it is
Just look at the heading of this thread
Whats there to be tired about
She has no power.
But the right wing hangs on to her every word. She is under a microscope not due to power but due to hate. If she says anything, right wing media is analyzing it to come up with a way to attack her.
The hate is astounding for somebody that has no power
The heading of this threads clear purpose is to state that the OP simply does not want her to speak.
Thats the view of many that hate women of color. They want them to shut up and when they don't, the hate pours out.
Its akin to Laura Ingraham and her just shut up and dribble statement.
Its an attitude of yea you have rights and are equals but we still want you to shut up and if you don't shut up, we will attack you for simply speaking up
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November 16th, 2021 at 10:54:05 PM permalink
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Are you saying the right hates her worse than they hate Biden?

It was only a few years ago while he was president that the democrats / left were aflame with hatred toward Trump.

Hate seems to be "the coin of the realm" these days.
November 17th, 2021 at 4:16:28 AM permalink
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Are you saying the right hates her worse than they hate Biden?

It was only a few years ago while he was president that the democrats / left were aflame with hatred toward Trump.

Hate seems to be "the coin of the realm" these days.

Pence was not really on the receiving end of hate
some may have made fun of him but not nasty.
Because he was just a VP
Pretty much powerless to do Jack
Vp's are kind of ignored
Yet the right are absolutely livid that Harris is VP
I've never seen so much hate for a VP in my life and its nasty
Its such a meaningless position.
Just look at this board
Pence wasn't hated by the left on this board
Not really talked about much.
Never his own thread
But Harris
An entire thread of hate directed to her on this board.
Not just her own thread, 16 pages of hate
Its pretty disgusting
The intense hatred for somebody with no power really disturbs me
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November 17th, 2021 at 7:39:20 AM permalink
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Its both
She gets a lot of bad press and people are too lazy to dig deep and just say don't approve.
What really drives this is hate.
The hate from the right is extreme in my opinion
She hasn't done anything because she has no power
But the right are absolutely livid that she is VP.
The hate to me is absurd but there it is
Just look at the heading of this thread
Whats there to be tired about
She has no power.
But the right wing hangs on to her every word. She is under a microscope not due to power but due to hate. If she says anything, right wing media is analyzing it to come up with a way to attack her.
The hate is astounding for somebody that has no power
The heading of this threads clear purpose is to state that the OP simply does not want her to speak.
Thats the view of many that hate women of color. They want them to shut up and when they don't, the hate pours out.
Its akin to Laura Ingraham and her just shut up and dribble statement.
Its an attitude of yea you have rights and are equals but we still want you to shut up and if you don't shut up, we will attack you for simply speaking up


It honestly doesn't seem all that difficult to me.

1.) Harris entered office with 40% Disapprove, which (as you mention) are almost undoubtedly Republicans. The Right is livid because she is VP not because she is a woman of color, but because she is the VP at all and they are livid that Biden is POTUS and that Trump isn't POTUS.

Do you expect that Republicans are going to somehow be unhappy that Biden is POTUS while simultaneously being happy about Harris being Veep?

2.) Her Approval Rating started at something like 46% when she entered office and is down to 28% now. Her Disapprove rating started out at 40% made up of, I assume, almost exclusively Right-leaners and GOP. I should assume her 46% Approve was made up of almost Democrats.

With that, Biden entered office with a 53% Approve rating (slightly more than the percentage of popular vote he received, actually) and is now down to something like 43%---looking at aggregated polling. However, the poll that had Harris at 28% would have Biden at 38%, so idk.

Either way, many people (most likely Independents and the Far Left) have been added to the GOP ranks of people who outwardly Disapprove of the Administration, or who basically went from Approve to No Opinion.

With that, I see that the Approve rating (ignoring Disapprove) has dropped by, give or take, 10% or a little north for both. Kamala was starting with lower approval rating to begin with.

3.) Her Favorable/Unfavorable ratings seem to tell a different story:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/kamala_harris_favorableunfavorable-6690.html

With that, we see her Favorability numbers are better than her Approval numbers, which tells me that some of the people not to Approve, but rate her favorably, are basically saying that they don't like the Administration. Other than an outlier USA Today poll, the numbers for Kamala Harris' favorability (around 40% favorable to around 52% unfavorable) live in a reasonably tight range.

4.) So, she's net Unfavorable---which makes total sense. She never had GOP and she has lost (as has the party compared to the 2020 Election) some Independents because they don't like the Administration (in general) and she loses some on the Far Left because they are crybabies.

5.) She had one major televised interview early on, and according to some pundits, she botched a layup of a question. That's not a great look. Apparently, she took a question about visiting the border and first answered it incorrectly, and then for some reason known only to her, got really defensive about the fact that the question was even asked.

6.) Finally, it makes sense that her Approval/Favorable could well be lower than Biden's because he won the nomination and she didn't. She wasn't even close. Ultimately, she would drop out of the Primary because it looked like Andrew Yang (a minority) was beating her in California. In the 2016 Primary, Hillary Clinton (a woman) won the Nomination to replace President Barack Obama (a minority).

Thus, unless you're arguing (as Kamala Harris basically DID when she lost the primary) that being a woman of color, specifically, is a lethal cocktail...then you don't have anything. There's apparently no immediate disadvantage on the Democrat side with being either a woman or a person of color.

---The only thing that I will give you is that more than absolutely zero people find her unfavorable/do not approve for that reason...but I don't think that number (particularly amongst Democrats and Independents) is particularly high and to argue that is THE reason seems nonsensical on its face.

---The rest of your statements, I would think, would all pertain to GOP/Right-Leaners...who aren't going to like her regardless of what gender or color she is. Nah. For her ratings to be this bad, there are Democrats who aren't on board with her, which makes total sense because she got trounced in the Primaries.
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