Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

Quote: Gandler

Its not opinion when court records and his own statements on TV admit that he had sex with other people while married..... Even his current wife he met while married to his last wife....

That does not matter to anything. That is his private life. Not caring about affairs of a POTUS because it is his private life was made policy by the left during the Clinton years.

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You mean like the Whitehouse?

No, I mean like in Ukraine. Working in the Whitehouse does not let you peddle influence. It is a long tradition for POTUS family to have functions in the WH. Once again, made more formal policy by Bill Clinton giving Hillary a huge role.

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Ummm, there were over 200.....

"In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work"

Mechanic liens are what contractors (does not have to be mechanical contractors, basically anyone who does work from landscapers to painters) can put against properties that they performed work on but were never paid.

That is why the companies declared bankruptcy (that and he built it with junk bonds)..... Not a good man, certainly not a good business man.

Again, if it was known he was this bad why then did people line up to do work for him?

What is wrong with borrowing money in the form of bonds? Besides nothing I mean.

Quote: Gandler

Cheater, is not an opinion he cheated on his wives (multiple times on record), look it up yourself.

And Biden shoved his finger inside Tara Reade and sexually assaulted her.

Reade's mother. Larry King 1993.

She is one of eight women who accuse Biden of inappropriate contact.

That's all been buried by the MSM.

Whatever happened to the "Me Too" movement that was originally intended to get Trump and ended up taking down half of Hollywood?

Killed by the MSM, the day Reade made her accusation against Biden.

Former prostitute and future president Harris said she believes Bidens accusers.

“I believe them, and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it.”

Jill Biden's ex-husband claims it was her affair with Biden that ended their marriage.

Quote: AZDuffman

That does not matter to anything. That is his private life. Not caring about affairs of a POTUS because it is his private life was made policy by the left during the Clinton years.


Again, if it was known he was this bad why then did people line up to do work for him?

What is wrong with borrowing money in the form of bonds? Besides nothing I mean.

You can't say its opinion, when he clearly cheated multiple times, and then say "well its his private life". If you support it or don't care that is fine, but you can't say it never happened.....


Anyway the early 90s were a different time, and a time before internet. Trump's reputation was not as well known in a negative way. If people did know him its just the endless self-promoting interviews of him being "the best"....

As for what is wrong with borrowing 900+ million at 14% ? This is not common for large projects. 14% is bad, like really bad....

Anyway, you again switch the goalposts? Oh if they didn't get paid and actually did the work there would be lawsuits? Oh there were? Oh well there would be mechanic's liens on the properties? Oh there were 200+ ? Well if everyone knows he is so bad they shouldn't have worked for him.....
There is a reason he relies on Russia to borrow money after this fiasco.....

Quote: Tanko

If your many relatives weren't paid, they did a poor job. They can always go to court.

I own an apartment in one of the Trump buildings here in NYC. In the time that I’ve owned it, there have been two major renovations in the building. Both projects were done at a fraction of what other buildings paid for the same work. The most recent project cost one-third what a nearby building paid for the same job. Contractors here line up and underbid each other, to do business with the Trump organization. If he wasn’t paying them, they wouldn’t be tripping over themselves to do business with him. He sets high standards and contractors are contractually obligated to complete their work by a certain date. They contractually agree to be penalized for each day they go beyond the agreed completion date. The ones who claim they were not paid, likely failed to fulfill their obligations under the contract, and rejected the lower payment. Contractors are rewarded with a contractually agreed upon bonus for completing a job ahead of time. NYS and NYC copied this model and now follow the same policy.

Many did, many lawsuits were awarded, and many liens placed on the property.
Did you not hear about the bankruptcy to avoid paying all of these outstanding debts?

Quote: Gandler

You can't say its opinion, when he clearly cheated multiple times, and then say "well its his private life". If you support it or don't care that is fine, but you can't say it never happened.....

I am following the example liberals set in the 1990s. Now all of the sudden liberals do not like the standard they set. Well, again.

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As for what is wrong with borrowing 900+ million at 14% ? This is not common for large projects. 14% is bad, like really bad....

14% was not bad in the 1980s. Mortgage rates were above 10% until about 1987. I remember it falling below because it was a headline on the newspaper and I was a cashier so I saw it about 25 times that day. You probably think today's low rates are the historical norm. They are not. The Prime Rate in 1985 was about 9.9%. Given bonds have a time risk penalty on them 14% was probably normal.

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Anyway, you again switch the goalposts? Oh if they didn't get paid and actually did the work there would be lawsuits? Oh there were? Oh well there would be mechanic's liens on the properties? Oh there were 200+ ? Well if everyone knows he is so bad they shouldn't have worked for him.....
There is a reason he relies on Russia to borrow money after this fiasco.....

Russia? I thought it was supposed to be the Germans?

Today is the first day of the RNC. Quite a lineup they’ve got.



“Image not found” is my fav. lol

Quote: AZDuffman

I am following the example liberals set in the 1990s. Now all of the sudden liberals do not like the standard they set. Well, again.



14% was not bad in the 1980s. Mortgage rates were above 10% until about 1987. I remember it falling below because it was a headline on the newspaper and I was a cashier so I saw it about 25 times that day. You probably think today's low rates are the historical norm. They are not. The Prime Rate in 1985 was about 9.9%. Given bonds have a time risk penalty on them 14% was probably normal.



Russia? I thought it was supposed to be the Germans?

For example here is an ultra liberal source on Trump's buisness credit score (19/100) :
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/trumps-business-credit-score-is-19-out-of-a-possible-100

'According to Nav, The Trump Organization, Inc.’s business credit score is a 19 out of 100 as of Sept. 23, 2016, which puts it below the national average score by more than 30 points. The Nav report said the score indicates the Trump Organization “is very likely to default on its credit payments” and that “this will make it difficult to get financing.” It puts Trump’s Organization in a “medium-to-high risk” category. '

'“Payment status is the most important factor when it comes to business credit scores, accounting for approximately 50% or more of the score,” Detweiler said. The Trump Organization’s payment history shows it pays an average of 26 days beyond terms (DBT), compared to the national average of 12 DBT'




The fact is Trump has very poor credit, and has a long history of not paying bills and debts..... Anyone who says otherwise is wrong....
Again, there is a reason Americans don't lend to him....

As for people lining up to do work in Trump Tower? Who knows, super anecdotal.... He also has a documented history of using illegal immigrants labor at this location so who knows (ICE probably does...)

Quote: Gandler

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As for people lining up to do work in Trump Tower? Who knows, super anecdotal.... He also has a documented history of using illegal immigrants labor at this location so who knows (ICE probably does...)

The logic seems to be if Trump has made contractors happy long enough for them to trust him, he couldn't have had bad business practices in his long past.

Like you, I'll go with his long history, and not some rose colored glasses version of him.

Quote: rxwine

The logic seems to be if Trump has made contractors happy long enough for them to trust him, he couldn't have had bad business practices in his long past.

Like you, I'll go with his long history, and not some rose colored glasses version of him.

Seems like you don't like bankruptcy and think it is a moral issue. After the recession of 2008 bankruptcies peaked in 2010 at 1.6 million, by your definition immoral people.

I wonder how many bankruptcies we will have because of the Covid shutdowns that you support. Probably be at least 2 million immoral people. "Have they no prisons, have they no poor houses" Ebenezer Scrooge.

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Gandler

As for him being a good VP, there are amble VP lists online (many from well before this election), he almost always is in the top 10, if not top 5.....

Probably because he is remembered by the people making the list.

This is hilarious. A libbie pointing to a bunch of lists that were made by other libbies. 😂

Quote: AZDuffman

I am following the example liberals set in the 1990s. Now all of the sudden liberals do not like the standard they set. Well, again.

Yep, that's the way libbies operate, unfortunately. These people have no shame. 🙄