Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

Quote: Gandler

Yes.

If I view Trump as dangerous why is simply voting against Trump illogical?

Maybe if you could explain what about him is "dangerous" other than you are liberal and disagree with him?

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As for him being a good VP, there are amble VP lists online (many from well before this election), he almost always is in the top 10, if not top 5.....

Probably because he is remembered by the people making the list. The job of VP is not worth a bucket of spit. But then again maybe sitting in an office doing nothing was right up Joe's alley.

Quote: AZDuffman

Maybe if you could explain what about him is "dangerous" other than you are liberal and disagree with him?

LOLOLOLOL

Quote: AZDuffman

If a person thought Qualye was not experienced then Kamala fits the same bill.

Personally I think her positions are too dangerous to put her as VP.

http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/3180/32/#post150875

Quote: ams288

LOLOLOLOL



http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/3180/32/#post150875

Hypocrites...they run circles around themselves to defend a man not worthy of a "bucket of spit". It's hard for themselves to keep up with their revolving door of positions.

Quote: AZDuffman

Maybe if you could explain what about him is "dangerous" other than you are liberal and disagree with him?



Probably because he is remembered by the people making the list. The job of VP is not worth a bucket of spit. But then again maybe sitting in an office doing nothing was right up Joe's alley.

Well he is an egomaniac, he is a serial liar, he is a cheater, he is a criminal, he has dangerous isolationist policies.... His desire to hinder the 1st amendment alone should raise alarm bells, even if you don't care about anything else I said...

Quite possibly the worst President in my lifetime.... Bush and Obama look like heroic figures from history right now compared to Trump....

And, on top of everything else (I am sure you will quote this alone to make me look like I am complaining, don't care), he is just a mean person.
I may disagree with Bush on a lot (but he was actually pretty good on a lot of issues, specifically when it came to Africa, I have no problem admitting that), but both Bush and Obama seem like down to earth people who anyone can walk up to and have a conversation, they both seem like genuinely good people who have good intentions, Trump is the polar opposite......

Quote: Gandler

Well he is an egomaniac, he is a serial liar, he is a cheater, he is a criminal, he has dangerous isolationist policies.... His desire to hinder the 1st amendment alone should raise alarm bells, even if you don't care about anything else I said...

So, you prefer Obama's starting wars to being isolationist? He is doing great in that matter. The rest, especially "criminal" is your opinion. Is his son working for the Ukrainians in a job he is not qualified for to peddle influence?

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Quite possibly the worst President in my lifetime.... Bush and Obama look like heroic figures from history right now compared to Trump....

Peace, prosperity, getting us out of bad treaties and into good ones. Plus excellent handling of the china virus. Yeah, those are awful things. But you are young so your lifetime does not include Carter. Though Obama was awful enough.

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And, on top of everything else (I am sure you will quote this alone to make me look like I am complaining, don't care), he is just a mean person.

So you claim. Evidence from people who have known him shows otherwise. I don't see that at all. He acts like a man in the old school way, preferring to get the job done over considering your feelings. I will take that over the opposite.

Quote: AZDuffman

So, you prefer Obama's starting wars to being isolationist? He is doing great in that matter. The rest, especially "criminal" is your opinion. Is his son working for the Ukrainians in a job he is not qualified for to peddle influence?

Yes I do, I like foreign involvement, very much. Obama was great on that front (so was Bush to be fair).


Cheater, is not an opinion he cheated on his wives (multiple times on record), look it up yourself.
Liar, same as above, he lies all the time, many fact checking sites to see for yourself on his lies.
Trump university was operating illegally (forced to change its name, now it does not exist).
Endless civil lawsuits involving Trump.



As for children working in positions that they are not qualified for, I don't think you want to go there....

Quote: AZDuffman

Peace, prosperity, getting us out of bad treaties and into good ones. Plus excellent handling of the china virus. Yeah, those are awful things. But you are young so your lifetime does not include Carter. Though Obama was awful enough.

Peace and prosperity? Have you been outside lately?

Quote: AZDuffman

So you claim. Evidence from people who have known him shows otherwise. I don't see that at all. He acts like a man in the old school way, preferring to get the job done over considering your feelings. I will take that over the opposite.

I grew up right outside of AC at the boom of the casinos. I have many relatives in the construction and other contracting businesses that are still awaiting payment..... He is not a nice person when you try to collect money from him. And, this is not anecdotal, look up sites to see contractors all over the world he simply does not pay....

If not paying your bills, cheating on your wives, constantly lying, while being completely self-centered, is "acting like a man in your view", I feel bad for your spouse....





https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/01/24/donald-trump-still-owes-money-to-contractors-who-built-taj-mahal-atlantic-city/4547037002/


https://theweek.com/articles/783976/brief-history-trumps-smalltime-swindles
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-business-plan-left-a-trail-of-unpaid-bills-1465504454


(this is more recent about his campaign owing close to 2 mil to local cities in unpaid bills for rallies in public areas).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/city-leaders-trump-pay-your-bills-help-us-fight-coronavirus-n1184646


The fact is Trump is just a bad person, even if you agree with his policies 100%, I can't see how any sane person can defend his character....

Quote: Gandler

Yes I do, I like foreign involvement, very much. Obama was great on that front (so was Bush to be fair).

Obama made the middle east a bigger mess than it already was. Dropped a bomb on Syria every 20 minutes his last year in office. Yeah, Mr Nobel Peace Prize himself. Meanwhile, Trump gets UAE to recognize Israel. I know which I prefer.

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Cheater, is not an opinion he cheated on his wives (multiple times on record), look it up yourself.
Liar, same as above, he lies all the time, many fact checking sites to see for yourself on his lies.
Trump university was operating illegally (forced to change its name, now it does not exist).
Endless civil lawsuits involving Trump.

Anyone who was confused that Trump University was a "university" deserves to get scammed. Someone else can spend their money better than they can. As to the rest, opinion.

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As for children working in positions that they are not qualified for, I don't think you want to go there....

How so? Are Trump's kids working where they can peddle influence like Biden's son?

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Peace and prosperity? Have you been outside lately?

Sure have. I see multiple "Help Wanted" signs daily when I take my walk. Amazon was advertising for help on the radio of all places! Homes are selling fast, fast, fast. And all of this during china virus lockdowns that should have ended months ago. Just wait until we reopen!

As to peace, see above.

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I grew up right outside of AC at the boom of the casinos. I have many relatives in the construction and other contracting businesses that are still awaiting payment..... He is not a nice person when you try to collect money from him. And, this is not anecdotal, look up sites to see contractors all over the world he simply does not pay....

If he is that bad, and if that was such common knowledge, then why did they bid on his contracts? My guess is that the general contractor, not Trump, did not pay and did not pay because there was something inferior in the work or/and the billing was not done properly. If what you say is so true, there would be many liens on the properties.

Quote: Gandler

(this is more recent about his campaign owing close to 2 mil to local cities in unpaid bills for rallies in public areas).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/city-leaders-trump-pay-your-bills-help-us-fight-coronavirus-n1184646

So let me get this right. Trump holds a rally. Lefties protest and threaten violence. The police are needed to try and prevent such violence.

The leftie cities think trump should pay for the policing of the the anti-Trump protestors, and you agree???? Meanwhile BLM/rioters/thieves are destroying cities with impunity.

Quote: AZDuffman

Obama made the middle east a bigger mess than it already was. Dropped a bomb on Syria every 20 minutes his last year in office. Yeah, Mr Nobel Peace Prize himself. Meanwhile, Trump gets UAE to recognize Israel. I know which I prefer.




Anyone who was confused that Trump University was a "university" deserves to get scammed. Someone else can spend their money better than they can. As to the rest, opinion.

Its not opinion when court records and his own statements on TV admit that he had sex with other people while married..... Even his current wife he met while married to his last wife....

I fully support Obama's drone policy. UAE recognizing Israel is great, staying in the Iran deal would have been better...

Quote: AZDuffman

How so? Are Trump's kids working where they can peddle influence like Biden's son?

You mean like the Whitehouse?

Quote: AZDuffman

If he is that bad, and if that was such common knowledge, then why did they bid on his contracts? My guess is that the general contractor, not Trump, did not pay and did not pay because there was something inferior in the work or/and the billing was not done properly. If what you say is so true, there would be many liens on the properties.

Ummm, there were over 200.....

"In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work"

Mechanic liens are what contractors (does not have to be mechanical contractors, basically anyone who does work from landscapers to painters) can put against properties that they performed work on but were never paid.

That is why the companies declared bankruptcy (that and he built it with junk bonds)..... Not a good man, certainly not a good business man.

Quote: Gandler

I grew up right outside of AC at the boom of the casinos. I have many relatives in the construction and other contracting businesses that are still awaiting payment.....

If your many relatives weren't paid, they did a poor job. They can always go to court.

I own an apartment in one of the Trump buildings here in NYC. In the time that I’ve owned it, there have been two major renovations in the building. Both projects were done at a fraction of what other buildings paid for the same work. The most recent project cost one-third what a nearby building paid for the same job. Contractors here line up and underbid each other, to do business with the Trump organization. If he wasn’t paying them, they wouldn’t be tripping over themselves to do business with him. He sets high standards and contractors are contractually obligated to complete their work by a certain date. They contractually agree to be penalized for each day they go beyond the agreed completion date. The ones who claim they were not paid, likely failed to fulfill their obligations under the contract, and rejected the lower payment. Contractors are rewarded with a contractually agreed upon bonus for completing a job ahead of time. NYS and NYC copied this model and now follow the same policy.