Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

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That fact that Collin Powel is supporting Biden, should tell anyone who leans NeoCon, Trump is on the losing side of Foreign Policy.

The one issue Republicans usually are good on.... Trump wants to cut down on overseas bases and involvements.... Madness.....

Colin Powell has been a leftie for years. He endorsed Obama twice. Did Obama support the military?

Trump is on the "losing side of foreign policy?" How? By not getting us into a war? By getting Israel and the UAE together? By any number of better trade treaties?

How, exactly?

Quote: AZDuffman

Colin Powell has been a leftie for years. He endorsed Obama twice. Did Obama support the military?

Trump is on the "losing side of foreign policy?" How? By not getting us into a war? By getting Israel and the UAE together? By any number of better trade treaties?

How, exactly?

I honestly don't recall him supporting Obama (I'll take your word on it).
But, yes, Obama was a great Commander-in-Chief.

Trump is terrible on foriegn policy, there is a reason so many high level military leaders and defense companies are rallying against him.... Pulling out of the Iran deal terrible, tariffs, terrible.

Israel and UAE is great, but not a game changer..... I also don't mind complimenting him for meeting with NK, I think that is fine....

But, overall, Trump is weak on forigen policy....

I think Bush amd Obama were both excellent on foreign policy (Bush slightly more, because he had the courage to go into Iraq despite its unpopularity).

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Quote: Gandler
The fact is Trump is just a bad person.

Only if your brain has been permanently
rotted by CNN/MS. Luckily almost
nobody watches either one.

Quote: Gandler

I honestly don't recall him supporting Obama (I'll take your word on it).
But, yes, Obama was a great Commander-in-Chief.

How old are you? It was huge news, though many of us suspect the real reason for the endorsement was skin color.

Obama did nothing but drop bombs from drones. Not exactly a great CiC resume.

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Trump is terrible on foriegn policy, there is a reason so many high level military leaders and defense companies are rallying against him.... Pulling out of the Iran deal terrible, tariffs, terrible.

Yes, there is a reason. Because he has not started a war. He will not accept their "business as usual" thing. Peace is a good thing. Not peace by appeasement. Peace thru strength. That is what Trump has given us.

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Israel and UAE is great, but not a game changer..... I also don't mind complimenting him for meeting with NK, I think that is fine....

But, overall, Trump is weak on forigen policy....

It is as big a game changer as when Carter got Egypt and Israel together. Maybe bigger long term, time will tell.

All you do is say he is weak. You never give examples. Better NAFTA. Out of bad climate treaty. Pressure on China on trade. Aforesaid Israel-UAW and NK. These are all great things. Where is he weak exactly? Oh, yeah, isn't he getting us out of Afghanistan?

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I think Bush amd Obama were both excellent on foreign policy (Bush slightly more, because he had the courage to go into Iraq despite its unpopularity).

Bush was good until he did not follow-up on Iraq. Anyone should have known that was a generation of a commitment. He wanted to do it on the cheap. Obama was a joke on foreign policy. Ran around the world bowing to leaders and apologizing for America as if he was ashamed of it. Made a bigger mess of the Middle East, and that is hard to do!

Quote: AZDuffman

Obama was a joke on foreign policy

How can you say that, he won
the Nobel Peace Prize. They
don't give that to people who
do absolutely nothing. Oh,
wait. Never mind..

Quote: AZDuffman

How old are you? It was huge news, though many of us suspect the real reason for the endorsement was skin color.

Obama did nothing but drop bombs from drones. Not exactly a great CiC resume.



Yes, there is a reason. Because he has not started a war. He will not accept their "business as usual" thing. Peace is a good thing. Not peace by appeasement. Peace thru strength. That is what Trump has given us.



It is as big a game changer as when Carter got Egypt and Israel together. Maybe bigger long term, time will tell.

All you do is say he is weak. You never give examples. Better NAFTA. Out of bad climate treaty. Pressure on China on trade. Aforesaid Israel-UAW and NK. These are all great things. Where is he weak exactly? Oh, yeah, isn't he getting us out of Afghanistan?



Bush was good until he did not follow-up on Iraq. Anyone should have known that was a generation of a commitment. He wanted to do it on the cheap. Obama was a joke on foreign policy. Ran around the world bowing to leaders and apologizing for America as if he was ashamed of it. Made a bigger mess of the Middle East, and that is hard to do!

He is pulling troops out of Afghanistan, with the goal to be all home before election day. Pure political stunt, poor decision. We already barley have control in Afghanistan, if we leave, the Taliban will run things the next day...

Trump pulled troops out of Syria, with devastating effects to the Kurds.

Trump is also scaling back many other overseas bases such as Germany.

He wanted to pull (or scale back) South Korean presence, but luckily this he was stonewalled on.....


He does not like the U.S. to have a strong overseas presence, and has even said, "We should not be the policeman of the world".....

Quote: Gandler

He is pulling troops out of Afghanistan, with the goal to be all home before election day. Pure political stunt, poor decision. We already barley have control in Afghanistan, if we leave, the Taliban will run things the next day...

Who cares. We have spent enough blood and treasure. Let them fight it out.

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Trump pulled troops out of Syria, with devastating effects to the Kurds.

Good. We have no vested interest in Syria. Arm the Kurds and let them fight their own fight. No more Yankee blood.

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Trump is also scaling back many other overseas bases such as Germany.

Good, they are not needed as they once were. NATO is now much further east. If we want to defend against Russia then bases need to be in Poland, the Baltics, etc. Let the EU pick up for their own defense.

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He wanted to pull (or scale back) South Korean presence, but luckily this he was stonewalled on.....


He does not like the U.S. to have a strong overseas presence, and has even said, "We should not be the policeman of the world".....

Perhaps it is time to pull back in SK. They also need to pick up more of their own defense. When was the last time we looked at it. Given low fertility rate and the general widespread depression in their population SK will in two generations be a shell of a society.

We should not be the policeman of the world. Time for nations who got rich and far while we did to pick up the slack. We need to police for our interests. There it stops. Funny how libs hate him for saying this as libs are the perpetual anti-war party.

Quote: AZDuffman

Who cares. We have spent enough blood and treasure. Let them fight it out.



Good. We have no vested interest in Syria. Arm the Kurds and let them fight their own fight. No more Yankee blood.



Good, they are not needed as they once were. NATO is now much further east. If we want to defend against Russia then bases need to be in Poland, the Baltics, etc. Let the EU pick up for their own defense.



Perhaps it is time to pull back in SK. They also need to pick up more of their own defense. When was the last time we looked at it. Given low fertility rate and the general widespread depression in their population SK will in two generations be a shell of a society.

We should not be the policeman of the world. Time for nations who got rich and far while we did to pick up the slack. We need to police for our interests. There it stops. Funny how libs hate him for saying this as libs are the perpetual anti-war party.

We have a vested interest everywhere in the world. It is our role to guide the world into a safe and stable future, we are one of the only countries that can. China can, but we do not want China to be the one developing developing countries (yes I realize how awkward that reads).

For every country in Africa that we scale back in, China swoops in. China and Russia will soon be influencing much of the world. It will be even faster if we give up our bases....

The truth is, the world needs us. Everyone loves to poop on America, but we are the only country with the force to transform a country overnight (and we are always the first that they call when they get in serious trouble). Its a small price to pay for global excellence.

Quote: Gandler

We have a vested interest everywhere in the world. It is our role to guide the world into a safe and stable future, we are one of the only countries that can. China can, but we do not want China to be the one developing developing countries (yes I realize how awkward that reads).

For every country in Africa that we scale back in, China swoops in. China and Russia will soon be influencing much of the world. It will be even faster if we give up our bases....

We do not influence by our bases. We influence by our stranglehold on the world monetary and banking systems. We influence by being the world reserve currency. China is unlikely to step up here. Nor is Russia.

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The truth is, the world needs us. Everyone loves to poop on America, but we are the only country with the force to transform a country overnight (and we are always the first that they call when they get in serious trouble). Its a small price to pay for global excellence.

The world does need us. But we are probably the only nation in history to lose money having an empire. Truth is the demographics of both Russia and China will limit their influence in just a decade or two. Leading nations do not get involved the way we have been getting involved. They get junior partners to fight the battles whenever possible. We did this in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We forgot the lesson in the 2000s. We had better relearn it.

Quote: AZDuffman

We do not influence by our bases. We influence by our stranglehold on the world monetary and banking systems. We influence by being the world reserve currency. China is unlikely to step up here. Nor is Russia.



The world does need us. But we are probably the only nation in history to lose money having an empire. Truth is the demographics of both Russia and China will limit their influence in just a decade or two. Leading nations do not get involved the way we have been getting involved. They get junior partners to fight the battles whenever possible. We did this in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We forgot the lesson in the 2000s. We had better relearn it.

We don't have an empire. This is a common critique of America. We don't take things from other countries we give things to them. We rarely enter wars for personal gain, and we often enter wars to help other countries advance, either economically or helping them gain independence (Spanish American War).

As for Afganistan, that is how the Talbian rose in power. Whenever you fund proxies, you open up the door for extremism. If you want something done right you have to do it yourself.

In the 2000s we got further than the Soviet Union ever did in an overhaul of Afganistan in only 15 years, now Trump is throwing that all away. There are many other countries that require this kind of attention, and Trump is not willing to get involved.

I have the same issue with Nixon and Vietnam, he pulled out because victory would have required a permanent presence (like Korea) and like Trump, did not want to spend the money (or support an unpopular war). Nixon wanted South Vietnam to take care of itself, it fell almost immediatly upon our exit.

Trump pulls out of military operations like they are marriages....

Republicans like talking tough, but are afraid of long wars. If Johnson ran for re-election, Asia would be a much different place, and Vietnam would very likley be like Korea (with a full-time U.S. presence and close military cooperation), which would probably be a good thing for the world, especially now knowing what we do (about China's influence).....