Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

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July 23rd, 2020 at 5:44:51 PM permalink
ams288
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So why does the Lincoln Project "flood the DC market" with ads if it is a guaranteed 3 EC votes for the Dems?


Because Donny watches Fox News all day long and they want him to see their ads.

Psychological warfare.
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July 23rd, 2020 at 5:48:19 PM permalink
ams288
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Take this ad for example:



They only aired it in DC. You think this ad was meant to sway one swing voter?

Heck no! It was meant to get Parscale “demoted” (aka fired).

And it worked...
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July 24th, 2020 at 3:20:31 AM permalink
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President Touts ‘Shirt Test’

Washington D.C.

In a recent interview, President Donald Trump touted his ability to figure out shirts that he described as, “Kind of complicated,” as proof of his fitness for office.

Trump: Yes. See, I have a shirt. The shirt you see. That’s easy. It’s an easy shirt. How do you find the front? It’s got buttons. It has buttons. Look it, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 buttons. It has eight buttons. Can you imagine it? It has eight. So, you know where the front is. The front has the buttons. But, I have another shirt underneath. Another shirt. No buttons! How do you find the front? Most people can’t do that, but I can.

Reporter: I’m also wearing an undershirt.

Trump: See, that’s unfair. I think that’s really rude. But, I don’t know. Maybe you’re a smart guy. Not everyone is so smart. Most people can’t figure out the front without the buttons. Can’t figure it out. I put it on and the neck is too high in front. See? It’s too high. So, I know I have to turn it around. Lots of people go with the shirt the wrong way. Probably most.

Reporter: I think most people know how to put on a shirt.

Trump: Yeah, with...how many buttons? It had eight. That’s how these got popular and why most people do the buttons. Not everyone can figure out the front without going by the buttons; it’s kind of complicated.

Reporter: The tags belong in the back.

Trump: Hanes did the tagless. How do you figure out the tagless that way? You can’t do it. You have to turn it around if the neck is too high.

—We reached out to Joe Biden for comment, but he said he doesn’t put his own shirts on anymore and really can’t be sure. Biden then went on to discuss the importance of the polio vaccine and described marching with MLK, “Just the other day.”

Follow-Up 7/24/2020: In solidarity with President Trump, some Republicans have started wearing their shirts backwards to prove the truth of Trump’s statement that most people can’t figure it out. Relatedly, The Left has called for a boycott of Hanes because Trump used the brand name in a sentence. Further details will be provided as they become known.
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July 27th, 2020 at 7:53:04 AM permalink
ams288
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NORTH CAROLINA
Biden 51% (+7)
Trump 44%
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#NCsen:
Cunningham (D) 50% (+9)
Tillis (R-inc) 41%

#NCgov:
Cooper (D-inc) 58% (+20)
Forest (R) 38%

@maristpoll/@NBCNews 7/14-22


Look at those governor numbers. Turns out telling the GOP you can’t infect our citizens to hold your stupid convention was a popular move!
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July 27th, 2020 at 4:07:13 PM permalink
Evenbob
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"A former top adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) compared voting for former Vice President Joe Biden this November to eating a “bowl of shit.”
Nina Turner, a onetime Ohio state senator who co-chaired Sanders’ failed 2020 campaign, made the comparison while discussing with The Atlantic the choice facing progressives this election cycle."

LOLOL
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July 28th, 2020 at 4:48:56 AM permalink
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"A former top adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) compared voting for former Vice President Joe Biden this November to eating a “bowl of shit.”
Nina Turner, a onetime Ohio state senator who co-chaired Sanders’ failed 2020 campaign, made the comparison while discussing with The Atlantic the choice facing progressives this election cycle."

LOLOL


Consider the source?

There were a number of folks who wrote Bernie in during the 2016 General Election despite the fact that he:

-Lost the Democratic nomination.
-Endorsed the winner.

Furthermore, a number of Bernie supporters essentially voted for Trump out of protest.

The bottom line is that Bernie isn't a Democrat, nor are a great many of the people who follow him. Bernie himself is definitely a Socialist, but he understood that he would get maybe 3% of the vote, at best, running as the nominee on a given Socialist ticket. If nothing else, Republicans should like him because his very existence serves to sow discord amongst the left. Kind of like AOC, someone who they can point at, pretend everyone on the left thinks the way she does, and then dismiss all of them as insane.

Make no mistake that he needed Democrats more than they need him. The Democratic nomination was his ONLY chance of ever becoming POTUS, so it's particularly annoying to see them make accusations of Democrats, "Rigging the system," or whatever. That's even more true in 2020 than it was in 2016, because in 2016, they at least had a little bit of supporting argument to back up that assertion, taking into account superdelegates and whatnot. Of course, the superdelegates thing conveniently ignores the fact that he lost the popular vote for Democratic Nominee to Clinton anyway...not to mention the fact that some half of his actual wins were in very red states.

Anywho, they whine about everything. They're the type of people that the left themselves would call, 'snowflakes.'
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July 28th, 2020 at 5:01:14 AM permalink
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Make no mistake that he needed Democrats more than they need him. The Democratic nomination was his ONLY chance of ever becoming POTUS, so it's particularly annoying to see them make accusations of Democrats, "Rigging the system," or whatever. That's even more true in 2020 than it was in 2016, because in 2016, they at least had a little bit of supporting argument to back up that assertion, taking into account superdelegates and whatnot. Of course, the superdelegates thing conveniently ignores the fact that he lost the popular vote for Democratic Nominee to Clinton anyway...not to mention the fact that some half of his actual wins were in very red states.


It was proven that they put the debates on at times few would watch so he did not get exposure. And that they did everything else possible to hand it to Hillary. Bernie had a point. Just like this time they had most everyone else drop out days before Super Tuesday. Like that was their choice? Trump of course had a party trying to get rid of him, but he overcame it.

Bernie has made the Democrats openly socialist now. They always were, just that they tried to hide it. Now it is out in the open. Along with openly supporting rioters.

May you live in interesting times.
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July 28th, 2020 at 5:38:37 AM permalink
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It was proven that they put the debates on at times few would watch so he did not get exposure. And that they did everything else possible to hand it to Hillary. Bernie had a point. Just like this time they had most everyone else drop out days before Super Tuesday. Like that was their choice? Trump of course had a party trying to get rid of him, but he overcame it.

Bernie has made the Democrats openly socialist now. They always were, just that they tried to hide it. Now it is out in the open. Along with openly supporting rioters.

May you live in interesting times.


It all goes back to the point that:

1. He's not a Democrat.

2. He IS a Socialist.

3. If not running as a Democrat, the probability of him becoming the POTUS would have been virtually 0%. Maybe as a Socialist he gets a few EC protest votes from Faithless Electors, no EC majority for Democrats or Republicans, Sanders becomes the third-highest in EC votes and is settled upon as a compromise candidate...that would be one hell of a weird compromise, but is technically possible, so I don't want to say 0% flat out.

I think he had a point with the Superdelegates. I don't buy into the line about the times the debates were broadcast; a person could watch the debates on Youtube (or various other websites) after they had been broadcast anytime the person wants to. That might have been a point were this still the 90's.

I don't think that Bernie has done that or even that all of, 'The Democrats,' are Socialists or support the riots. What I do think is that some Democrats could very well be convinced to switch sides if Republicans extend an olive branch and concede defeat on the basic social issues once and for all...then quit talking about it.

I couldn't speak much to when people did or did not drop out. For most, I would just contest that they dropped out when it became clear that they were not going to win. In any event, I don't see how bringing up the fact that Bernie got trounced in what became a two-man race is doing your argument any favors. That argument basically says that Bernie COULD have won...except the moderate Democrat vote was consolidated and moderate Democrats did not want him.

IOW, could ONLY win in a crowded field, because most people didn't know WHO they wanted, but they knew it wasn't him.

So, he and they can do whatever crying they want to, but none of it changes the fact that he would have had NO chance without the Democratic Party.
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July 28th, 2020 at 5:49:55 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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I think he had a point with the Superdelegates. I don't buy into the line about the times the debates were broadcast; a person could watch the debates on Youtube (or various other websites) after they had been broadcast anytime the person wants to. That might have been a point were this still the 90's.


So, then, why do people still watch sports live and not just watch it online later? The debate schedules mattered. They admitted it.

The SuperDelegates added in the first place to make it impossible for a non-anointed candidate to win because the party has a history of choosing loons.

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I don't think that Bernie has done that or even that all of, 'The Democrats,' are Socialists or support the riots. What I do think is that some Democrats could very well be convinced to switch sides if Republicans extend an olive branch and concede defeat on the basic social issues once and for all...then quit talking about it.


Well, the Democrats could get more voters is they would drop their draconian views on social issues. Why don't they try first?

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I couldn't speak to when people did or did not drop out. For most, I would just contest that they dropped out when it became clear that they were not going to win. In any event, I don't see how bringing up the fact that Bernie got trounced in what became a two-man race is doing your argument any favors. That argument basically says that Bernie COULD have won...except the moderate Democrat vote was consolidated and moderate Democrats did not want him.


What you are suggesting is like running a car all May in the time trials then deciding not to run the Indy 500 on the Friday before the race. You really think they did not get a call saying, "How's the family? Be a shame if all the stress of your running got to them!"
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July 28th, 2020 at 6:24:04 AM permalink
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So, then, why do people still watch sports live and not just watch it online later? The debate schedules mattered. They admitted it.

The SuperDelegates added in the first place to make it impossible for a non-anointed candidate to win because the party has a history of choosing loons.


I would say because sports are generally considered more entertaining? How many people really watch the debates, anyway? I think the 2020 debates didn't even crack eight million viewers, as far as the Democratic debates are concerned. If you're even watching the Primary debates, for the most part, I would say that you're already pretty well-acquainted with who the candidates are and what their platforms are.

I concede the point as relates the Superdelegates, and again, I think that's the only meaningful point Bernie ever really had. It also does not apply in 2020.

And, as you pointed out, Trump WON the nomination in a party in which the establishment basically did not want him. Point Trump. He proved it could be done, so Bernie simply has some shortcomings somewhere.

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Well, the Democrats could get more voters is they would drop their draconian views on social issues. Why don't they try first?


Evangelicals, first. The fact is, as far as basic rights are concerned, not only have Social Conservatives LOST, we have reached the point at which they have lost decisively. When you look at the most basic issues of social rights, well over half of Americans are on board--including many Republicans. The time has come to concede defeat and pick another hill. The GOP establishment seems to recognize this, now they just need the religious folks to shut the hell up once and for all.

And, at a minimum, there should really be at least FOUR Major parties just consisting of those who are currently Democrats and Republicans. Again, that all goes back to the EC, which creates alliances out of necessity, which is why Bernie would ever run for the Democratic Nomination in the first place. I say a minimum of four because I'm deliberately ignoring parties such as (my own) Libertarian.

-The Socialist Party should be an actual force, at this point, but they can't break away from the Democrats.
-Moderate Democrats (which would just continue to bear the Democrat moniker)
-Social Conservatives (Tea Party, or maybe some other)
-Moderate Conservatives or those more tax/economy focused (which would just continue to bear the Republican moniker)

So, at least four major parties, but you can't do that right now without essentially conceding any reasonable chance of controlling the Presidency.

As a result, people on both sides often vote against the interests of their own wallets, but we've done that discussion to death, anyway.

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What you are suggesting is like running a car all May in the time trials then deciding not to run the Indy 500 on the Friday before the race. You really think they did not get a call saying, "How's the family? Be a shame if all the stress of your running got to them!"


I don't know, Tulsi (for one) certainly didn't have a problem making an exit well after it was clear that she was not going to win. I know Williamson came out with some statements that she felt that the Democratic establishment did not treat her very well, though she didn't seem to make any allegations of threats against her life or that of her family.

I think politics is corrupt as hell, but I don't think the nominees or establishment make a habit of running around making threats against families, or what have you.

The racing comparison is weird for more reasons than I care to get into, no offense. On the level of the candidates themselves, as people, maybe it is a matter of wanting to prevent further embarrassment. Even if not, Bernie (who was very well-known at that point) still got trounced in a two-man race, and nothing can change that fact. I think just about everyone underestimated how well Biden would do in the South...though most knew he would do pretty well...but hell, Bernie even lost some states in which the demographics favored him and that he was expected to win. By, "Demographics favored him," I mean states that are mostly white.
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