The Coronavirus thread

Quote: Mission146

I'm getting tired of seeing the words, "Derangement Syndrome." Both sides just giving themselves an out to refer to any possible criticism as, "Derangement Syndrome," rather than have a substantive conversation.

I think it's funny
The right wingers started it
We on the left are just taking it to the bank
Because
It was a fake syndrome that righties used (I have praised Trump)
But it's a real syndrome to describe righties
They hate Fauci. Not dislike but actually hate
I dont get it
The only way to describe this illogical hate is Fauci derangement syndrome
Go ahead. Try to have a substantive conversation about Fauci with say Tanko or AZ or EB. You will soon determine FDS is actually real

Quote: terapined

I think it's funny
The right wingers started it
We on the left are just taking it to the bank
Because
It was a fake syndrome that righties used (I have praised Trump)
But it's a real syndrome to describe righties
They hate Fauci. Not dislike but actually hate
I dont get it
The only way to describe this illogical hate is Fauci derangement syndrome
Go ahead. Try to have a substantive conversation about Fauci with say Tanko or AZ or EB. You will soon determine FDS is actually real

Yeah, they spent 4 years responding to everything with “TDS.” They opened that can of worms, no going back now.

Quote: terapined

I think it's funny
The right wingers started it
We on the left are just taking it to the bank
Because
It was a fake syndrome that righties used (I have praised Trump)
But it's a real syndrome to describe righties
They hate Fauci. Not dislike but actually hate
I dont get it
The only way to describe this illogical hate is Fauci derangement syndrome
Go ahead. Try to have a substantive conversation about Fauci with say Tanko or AZ or EB. You will soon determine FDS is actually real

Wrong + Wrong = Right?

Wrong * Wrong = Right?

Hmm...I guess if wrongs are negative and you multiplied them together you would get a right(s). Do rights and wrongs follow math rules?

Why is it a fake syndrome when they use it and a real syndrome when the left uses it?

Are you trying to convince me that nobody on the left hates Trump, not dislikes, but actually hates?

What conversation would I have about Fauci? I've already said that Tanko, in my opinion, made a substantive point. Fauci was talking about Trump publicly advocating in support of the vaccine and Tanko pointed out that Trump had already done so at CPAC.

The only aspect of Tanko's post that I disagree with is calling Fauci a liar for that reason. However, if Fauci was aware that Trump made those comments at CPAC, then Fauci would be lying. If he was not aware, then he simply made an incorrect statement, which is not lying.

Quote: ams288

Yeah, they spent 4 years responding to everything with “TDS.” They opened that can of worms, no going back now.

That perspective will certainly improve the level of political discourse in this country.

I'll just say that if Republicans ever control the Presidency and both Houses of Congress again, whatever happens, this is the sort of statement that has made the bed of the left. So, whatever the consequences, they are of no concern to me.

Same goes for the right, of course.

Quote: Mission146

What conversation would I have about Fauci?

Why the intense hatred?
Here is the reason
The virus took down the Trump Presidency
The virus itself is not a convenient political enemy
Fauci is a convenient political enemy yet in reality, he's the best thing in both administrations.
The Fauci hate is intense and illogical
He makes a minor mistake and conservatives scream intentional lie
Their hatred is absurd

Trump hated a lot of people and acted on it
Fauci doesn't hate anybody

Quote: terapined

Why the intense hatred?
Here is the reason
The virus took down the Trump Presidency
The virus itself is not a convenient political enemy
Fauci is a convenient political enemy yet in reality, he's the best thing in both administrations.
The Fauci hate is intense and illogical
He makes a minor mistake and conservatives scream intentional lie
Their hatred is absurd

Trump hated a lot of people and acted on it
Fauci doesn't hate anybody

That may possibly be true in some cases, but in this case, he made a defensible statement about something Fauci said. The defense, "Of course Fauci knew what Trump said at CPAC." Of course, I don't know what reason anyone would have to believe what Fauci did or did not see. I imagine he's a fairly busy guy, from what I can tell, mostly doing interviews on news and commentary shows.

I also find it interesting that you essentially created a logical progression that might lead to someone hating Fauci. I'm not saying the hatred is itself logical, but the progression is.

Anyway, the left harped on Trump all the time over minor things. I honestly didn't understand it. Why go back-and-forth over nit-picky stuff when the fact that he's a piece of human garbage with almost zero redeeming qualities as a person would suffice?

Quote: Mission146

Anyway, the left harped on Trump all the time over minor things. I honestly didn't understand it. Why go back-and-forth over nit-picky stuff when the fact that he's a piece of human garbage with almost zero redeeming qualities as a person would suffice?

What would you have considered minor things that the left harped on Trump about?

Quote: Tripdufan

What would you have considered minor things that the left harped on Trump about?

I'm not going to get into the game of listing examples and having them analyzed for whether or not they are, "Minor." It's subjective anyway.

Actually, this Chris person can do my work for me:

https://wlos.com/news/local/analysis-the-51-most-outrageous-lines-from-donald-trumps-nc-rally

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4. "Our economic policy can be summed up in three very beautiful and simple words: jobs, jobs, jobs."

---Trump really loves the word "beautiful." It's a very beautiful word, after all.

I thought these lines were supposed to be, "Outrageous"? I get it, fifty-one is a fun number if you don't like even numbers and can be very difficult to get to. But, is it really that outrageous that Trump used the word, "Beautiful?" Am I supposed to be startled or shocked by his use of the word? Should I be outraged that he would use such a word?

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5. "You remember North Carolina? That was going to be the Clinton firewall. She spent a fortune here and I kept coming in and coming out. They called it earned media. I earned it."

---Barack Obama's victory in North Carolina in 2008 was the first time since 1976 that a Democratic presidential candidate had won the state. So no, it was never going to be a Clinton firewall. Also, "they called it earned media. I earned it."

And, as Chris-something wrote this, Trump continued to earn it.

I know ignoring problems doesn't always make them go away, but it sometimes does.

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6. "November 8, that was a big deal. Donald Trump has won the great state of North Carolina."

---The 2016 election was 982 days ago.

Oh, so winning a Presidential Election is not a big deal? I wonder why this guy is covering the President and analyzing his every sentence, then.

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12. "You remember last election, Donald Trump will never, ever get the women. Then we got this tremendous number of women."

---Trump got 41% of the women's vote.

Trump got 41% of the tens of millions of women who voted. Is that not tremendous? How many votes has the writer of this article ever received in a Presidential Election?

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30. "He's actually not even a Democrat. Isn't he an independent? I don't know."

Bernie Sanders -- who Trump is talking about -- has spent most of life as a democratic socialist, which in terms of the Senate means that he was an independent who caucused with Democrats. Sanders changed his party affiliation to run as a Democrat for president in 2016 and then changed it back to independent when he lost that race. He has changed to be a Democrat, again, for this race. It's a whole thing.

Um...okay? How is what Trump said even arguably wrong, here? I mean, forget outrageous, how is it even incorrect? He even says he doesn't know after.

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35. "He checked her blood and found out that many, many, many, many, many, many years ago, there could have been somebody and he could have been Indian. And then the Indians got together and they said, we don't want her."

Elizabeth Warren's attempt to clear up whether she was of Native American heritage was, slightly, more complicated than Trump's description.

Haha! I don't even care; that shizz was funny, yo.

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41. "Everybody calls me Mr. President. It's true. It's a funny thing."

That is funny.

How is that an outrageous statement for Trump to make?

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47. "My generals did a great job."

"My generals."

Not that I would expect the writer to know, but Donald Trump (when POTUS) was the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. Ergo, they were his generals. Just like any higher ranked person in the military might call those under him, "My men," or a manager might say, "My employees," or a quarterback might say, "My receivers."

That's supposed to be outrageous?

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48. "Look at that beautiful baby. Look at that beautiful baby. Wow, what a baby. What a baby. Wow. That is a beautiful baby. That's like from an advertisement. Perfect. Look how happy that baby is, so beautiful."

Offered without comment.

Um...he's complimenting a baby? This guy is literally implying that Donald Trump calling a baby beautiful is outrageous. I am outraged. And horrified. How dare someone compliment a baby.

Anyway...

Anyway, this is what I got to hear about, almost incessantly, for four years. I'm not just talking about writers, but even the rank-and-file Leftists. You'd hear it in person, see it on Facebook and everything else...every single word that Trump said for four g*****n years was front and center at all times. If I didn't know better, I'd think any number of Democrats were in love with him, such was their obsession with the man and everything he said.

It's pretty simple: Trump is an unlikable and non-Presidential @$$40!3 who was needlessly divisive---even after he won. That's all that I really need to know. On occasion, just like you might eventually hit the bullseye if you blindly throw enough darts at a board, he would say something funny or manage to come off as charming.

But, then you have articles like this and any number of other people griping about the guy constantly and everything that he did. I'm not going to lie; it was enough to make me dislike some of them more than I dislike Trump---and that's a high bar!

For the record, I didn't remember that article specifically for any reason. I just selected a date range on Google and my search terms were, "Trump criticisms ridiculous."

With that said and in fairness...I don't know about outrageous, but a good twenty of the quoted statements were arguably pretty dumb.

Quote: Mission146

T Of course, I don't know what reason anyone would have to believe what Fauci did or did not see. I imagine he's a fairly busy guy, from what I can tell, mostly doing interviews on news and commentary shows.

Imagine working in Fauci's position during the Trump administration and that you'll have be aware of everything Trump says on coronavirus so you'd be informed on whatever is on Trump's mind.

That right there is a prescription for insantity. Fauci worked with 5 other Presidents and I'd guarantee he never heard such nonsense coming out of the 5 other leaders regardless of the political position.

As soon as he had no reason to listen to Trump, what do you think he did?. Same thing most sane people would do who had his job.

Quote: rxwine

As soon as he had no reason to listen to Trump, what do you think he did?. Same thing most sane people would do who had his job.

(Quote clipped, relevance)

I don't recall him quitting.