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Science and Religion
| October 20th, 2019 at 4:34:05 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
I said "In our solar system." The President is a fink. |
| October 20th, 2019 at 6:12:38 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I think AZ is doing awesome. I just want to jump in and say that the "god of the gaps" thing is a straw man argument that is more applicable to paganism than any monotheistic religion. Nobody believes in God just because there is something we don't understand. That is akin to not understanding lightning and attributing it to some god of lightning. This is not the Christian understanding of God who is the source of all things. St. Augustine spoke of the 2 books God has given us to understand Him. The Bible and Nature. The more we understand about creation the more we can understand about God. This is why science and theology work together and nothing in either "book" can truly contradict the other, they have the same author. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 20th, 2019 at 6:18:40 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I felt a little uncomfortable with the "So show me." part of this heartfelt post. It reminded me of those mocking Christ as He was dying on the cross. "Come down from that cross and we will believe." Heal me and then I will believe. If we believe because of these things are we really loving God or are we just loving His power to work magic in our lives. Maybe thinking about those in your life who you truly love would be helpful. They can't heal your back, but their loving presence and support are what you love about them. You love them for who they are not what they can do for you. They also love you even in your weakness and struggles, just as you love them in their mess as well. That would be a much better example of what belief in God is really about. Not Him impressing you with magic tricks and demonstrations of His power, but rather being with you in your suffering and loving you in it just as He loved us in His suffering. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 20th, 2019 at 6:51:47 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
Nobody believes in God because of gaps, but people defend their belief in God because of the gaps (it has already occured in this very thread). |
| October 20th, 2019 at 7:13:33 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4516 |
So your claim then is there is a separate God for each solar system???? "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| October 20th, 2019 at 7:45:32 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
Like buying a product sight unseen. Trust me, says the salesman. He was going to do a magic trick in 3 days anyway when no one was around. What's the difference? You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| October 20th, 2019 at 8:31:26 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
But that's exactly where the belief in god came from. As we became more self aware, and realized we were responsible for our actions, we became aware of the complex world around us. We reasoned, inaccurately, that because we were responsible for our actions, there must be an intelligence behind the actions of nature and the universe. So we invented gods for what we didn't understand, that controlled everything. Roman gods, Greek gods, even the Jews had a bunch of gods. They eventually combined them all into one god, Yahweh. It's a provable fact that the decline in god worship has decreased as our knowledge of how the world works has increased. The more we understand, the less need we have for a god to be the explanation. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 20th, 2019 at 10:09:46 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | The decline in the worship of God has little to do with our knowledge of how the world works. In fact learning about our amazing world helps us in our belief in God. The decline in the worship of God comes through our worship of ourselves in God's place and the rejection of objective truth. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 20th, 2019 at 10:33:51 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It has everything to do with it. As we came out of ignorance and into the light, our need for a god to explain everything we didn't understand evaporated. Even today Xtions use god as an excuse not to be proactive. Instead of saying do some work, find an answer, perform the due diligence on your problem, they say: Turn it over to god, ask god, put it in gods hands. The easy way out, the ignorant way out, the surefire way to never solve your problem and just let circumstances and chance solve it for you. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 21st, 2019 at 12:10:11 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
This is exactly what God says.
Or as you say just wait until the all-knowing and powerful science figures it out. Give it a break, you don't have the first clue about Christianity, God, or science. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |