Science and Religion

Quote: AZDuffman

No. I am saying that I believe there is a God. And I am saying that until the atheists want to explain how life came from nothing they do not have a leg to stand on.

I believe in the primordial soup theory. There's my explanation. Now we are on equal ground.

Quote: AZD

No. Atheist means "actively believes there is no God." Look at groups like American Atheists and other atheist activist. They are not "unsure." A person who is "unsure" does not make the argument that there is no God, as you are doing here.

For clarity...

Quote: AZD

Same as not believing that the pro-choice movement is pro-abortion.

Exactly.

Quote: AZDuffman

Assuming everything was always here seems fantasy to me.

Only because you've been taught
differently. To Hindu's it's not
fantasy at all. It's always been
here and always will be. That
sounds far more logical than
some god snapped his finger
and popped it into existence.

Quote: AZDuffman

No. I am saying that I believe there is a God. And I am saying that until the atheists want to explain how life came from nothing they do not have a leg to stand on.



No. Atheist means "actively believes there is no God." Look at groups like American Atheists and other atheist activist. They are not "unsure." A person who is "unsure" does not make the argument that there is no God, as you are doing here.

Same as not believing that the pro-choice movement is pro-abortion. I look at what groups are doing, not what their press releases say they are doing.

Absolutley false. I have no duty to explain how life started.

Also false, I don't know any pro-choice movements that desire people to get abortion , "Safe, Legal, and Rare" .

And, that is simply not the defintion of atheist.

"Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. " Wiki, the Google definition and most dictonieries are the same or similar....

Quote: AZDuffman

No. I am saying that I believe there is a God. And I am saying that until the atheists want to explain how life came from nothing they do not have a leg to stand on.

Why are you so hung up on that
one particular question. Why not,
until atheists explain where electricity
comes from or how black holes work,
that they don't have a leg to stand on.

See how ridiculous the assertion is?
You can't cherry pick just one
unanswered question, you have to
blame god for all of them if you're
going to blame him for one.

God is real easy to figure out. Start
with a neutral frame of mind, become
a scientist, and see if you can find god.
So far, they haven't. If you go in 100%
certain god exists, you're screwed.
You'll never find the truth.

Quote: Gandler

Absolutley false. I have no duty to explain how life started.

No duty, correct. Unless you want to back up your positive statement.

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Also false, I don't know any pro-choice movements that desire people to get abortion , "Safe, Legal, and Rare" .

Oh, you need to look at reality. Exhibit One I present find me "pro-choice" groups that counsel to keep the baby and put it up for adoption. Good luck there, they do the opposite and try to hide that option. Exhibit Two go google "Shout Your Abortion." Sorry, these people are not who you think they are.

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And, that is simply not the defintion of atheist.

"Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. " Wiki, the Google definition and most dictonieries are the same or similar....

I am going to go more with Face's grid above. And do you not notice that most of the atheists here fall into the "less broadly?"

Actions count, not what you read in some textbook.

Quote: Evenbob

Why are you so hung up on that
one particular question. Why not,
until atheists explain where electricity
comes from or how black holes work,
that they don't have a leg to stand on.

See how ridiculous the assertion is?
You can't cherry pick just one
unanswered question, you have to
blame god for all of them if you're
going to blame him for one.

I am not cherry-picking. Science says life cannot spontaneously generate. Atheists say they believe in science only. So they need to explain how life generated without a greater power acting on it.

Quote: AZDuffman

I am not cherry-picking. Science says life cannot spontaneously generate.

Again, you're cherry picking. Nothing
can spontaneously generate. So what.
This doesn't mean we should jump
immediately to some supernatural
conclusion. Do the research, it will
eventually have an answer. In the
meantime, don't assume the answer
is some god, when you have no idea
what the answer is.

Quote: Evenbob

Again, you're cherry picking. Nothing
can spontaneously generate. So what.
This doesn't mean we should jump
immediately to some supernatural
conclusion. Do the research, it will
eventually have an answer. In the
meantime, don't assume the answer
is some god, when you have no idea
what the answer is.

So you say life could not have come from no life? Making progress here. But do not assume the answer is there was no God involved when you just admitted you do not know what the answer is.

Quote: AZDuffman

So you say life could not have come from no life?

Why do assume it has to 'come'
from somewhere.

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But do not assume the answer is there was no God involved when you just admitted you do not know what the answer is.

The answer might be blue fairies
from the planet Oompah. I have
no idea. But until science figures
out the answer, I will continue
not to speculate. Saying god is the
answer without proof is a huge
mistake. 500 years ago all disease
had a supernatural explanation.
God or the devil was responsible.
This assumption closed the door
on inquiry into the real causes.

Once you say god is the answer
to anything, your incentive to look
elsewhere dries up. Why would
you look, you think you already
have the answer. And 500 years
ago if you told the Church you
wanted to look elsewhere, good
luck with that.

Quote: AZDuffman

Sorry, YOU are making a claim, YOU need to back it up with more than "no, it isn't." I have heard "science" giving credit to "mother nature" more than a few times.

If you want to prove to me there is no God, show me how life rises from no life. Then explain why it rose on earth but nowhere else in the solar system. Then I will listen. Meanwhile I will never take a person who "believes in science" but says there is no possibility of a higher being serious as far as science goes as no serious scientist would exclude that which they cannot prove or disprove.

For the sake of argument I will accept your statement that only earth has life although I don't believe that is probably true. It is accepted that there are billions of stars and that planets aren't that rare. So if the conditions of life are 1 in a million? or 1 in a billion? we still can easily have life occurring through the random occurrence of extremely rare exact conditions. No outside influence required.