The Gay Thread

Quote: Face

This, AZD, is what you are doing to a "T". You have taken the statement "marry who you love" and are arguing that it includes children. No one said children. No one said fetuses, corporations, or any other non-people, nor have they included children, the mentally deficient, the vegetative state, or any other entity deemed incapable of making decisions. You have oversimplified the argument and are now attacking the oversimplification.

Teenagers are not "children." The same teenagers who the lefties here want to raise the marriage age above are to them perfectly mature enough to get an abortion or get on the pill. So they are NOT children by their standards. So we get down to age, which is just a number.

More than a few famous women married young. Shirley Muldowney and Loretta Lynn to name two.

If you want to call someone out on logical fallacies, pleas call out the liberals who just retort "you support pedophiles!" I can at least defend my position.

Quote: AZDuffman

More than a few famous women married young. Shirley Muldowney and Loretta Lynn to name two.
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Married at 13, 4 kids by the time
she was 17. Here she is with her
seldom seen husband who she
claims raped her on her wedding
night causing decades of therapy
after she became famous.

Quote: Evenbob

Married at 13, 4 kids by the time
she was 17. Here she is with her
seldom seen husband who she
claims raped her on her wedding
night causing decades of therapy
after she became famous.

She still tours, though one casino here they told me she was on oxygen barely able to move outside the show.

Quote: AZDuffman

Teenagers are not "children." The same teenagers who the lefties here want to raise the marriage age above are to them perfectly mature enough to get an abortion or get on the pill. So they are NOT children by their standards. So we get down to age, which is just a number.

So all of this is just a misunderstanding, then.

Biologically, a "child" is defined as a person after the age of infancy but before the age of puberty. Puberty is not a hard line. Medically speaking, pubescence usually occurs between the ages of 9 and 14. You can have boys with ball hair at 6yr old (pre pubescence) or boys at 16 without a ball drop (delayed pubescence), which means, medically speaking, becoming a biological adult has no hard line. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. All "teenagers", all with a potential to experience delayed pubescence and remain biological children (think it's roughly 2% of the pop who experience this)

Fortunately, we weren't having a medical discussion, we were having a legal one. And where legal is concerned the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as "a human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier". This was ratified by 192 of the 194 member countries, including the US, who usually has a cutoff of 18yr of age as the line between child (minor) and adult (major).

You're having a debate using definitions only you use. No wonder it went sour.

Quote: AZD

If you want to call someone out on logical fallacies, pleas call out the liberals who just retort "you support pedophiles!" I can at least defend my position.

Did you miss it the first time?

I called terp out for trolling, for bullying, for spamming, all publicly. I called out folks using umbrella terms. I called out surreptitious jabs. If someone claims "Republicans are racist", that's an insult to Republicans, which we have as members, and will result in a ban unless the writer specifies the attack to an exclusive, direct attack on a person that is not a member. Republicans are racist = ban. Donald Trump is racist = no ban. And that goes both ways, so Shrek can consider this his last warning. Biden senile, Kamala a trollop, Hillary is Satan, won't here a peep from me, other than to maybe argue (doubtful). You want to umbrella all libs, then you can do it elsewhere.

The rest haven't done anything but try to figure out what you were saying, and that includes me. Now that we know why, I suspect we'll get passed it.

Quote: Face

Republicans are racist = ban. Donald Trump is racist = no ban.

Cool, this should be fun then. I will most definitely abide by the new rules, and I'm going to unblock all the libbies to make sure they do as well. 👍

Quote: Face

Now that we know why, I suspect we'll get passed past it.

I fixed that for you..

Quote: Evenbob

Quote: Face

Now that we know why, I suspect we'll get passed past it.

I fixed that for you..

My migrained brain curses you for engaging it.

"Pass" is a verb, "past" is a noun. Easiest way to differentiate is to change the tense. If the sentence still makes sense, you use the verb.

We'll get passed it
We will pass it
We are passing it

Tense change makes sense. It's "passed".

I think, anyway (insofar as I'm able)

Quote: Face

My migrained brain curses you for engaging it.

"passed / past. ... Remember that no matter however you have ”passed the time” you have never “past the time,” not even in the distant past. “Past” can be an adjective, a noun, a preposition, or an adverb, but never a verb."

Quote: Face

So all of this is just a misunderstanding, then.

Biologically, a "child" is defined as a person after the age of infancy but before the age of puberty. Puberty is not a hard line. Medically speaking, pubescence usually occurs between the ages of 9 and 14. You can have boys with ball hair at 6yr old (pre pubescence) or boys at 16 without a ball drop (delayed pubescence), which means, medically speaking, becoming a biological adult has no hard line. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. All "teenagers", all with a potential to experience delayed pubescence and remain biological children (think it's roughly 2% of the pop who experience this)

Fortunately, we weren't having a medical discussion, we were having a legal one. And where legal is concerned the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as "a human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier". This was ratified by 192 of the 194 member countries, including the US, who usually has a cutoff of 18yr of age as the line between child (minor) and adult (major).

You're having a debate using definitions only you use. No wonder it went sour.

Only myself? Not really. A 17 year old can sign into the military. Are we letting "children" join? We let "children" drive cars?

And as I said, liberals want girls as young as 13 to be allowed to make BC decisions and abortions. Letting "children" do that?

You can haggle about "legal" definitions all you like. I prefer practical. Bar Mitzvah age is 13. Bat Mitzvah is 13 except for some ultra-orthodox sects where it is 12. You can say that at that age you are not a "man" or "woman" but you really are not a child.

The UN and other government agencies likes to use "child" as long as possible. See, they say, " X 'children' were killed by guns last year!" Of curse, many of those "children" were teenage gang members or other hoods. But Joe Public does not dig that deep.

By the way, the age of "adulthood" is not at all fixed. Most older stuff I research in my job, pre-1900 or so, talks about age 20.

We do have an age of majority. That is why any state I have heard of if the marriage age is below 18 there must be parental consent. You cannot sign yourself out of HS before 18. But this does not mean you are a "child" one day and an "adult" the next.

My personal standard is your "childhood" ends when you turn 13. Then you are a teenager or a yute. You do not get all the perks of adulthood, but you must stop behaving as a child. But I will say it again. The group of people who are in favor of BC pills or abortions for 13 year olds outside of parental consent do not get to say she is a "child."

Quote: AZDuffman

Only myself? Not really. A 17 year old can sign into the military. Are we letting "children" join? We let "children" drive cars?

And as I said, liberals want girls as young as 13 to be allowed to make BC decisions and abortions. Letting "children" do that?

You can haggle about "legal" definitions all you like. I prefer practical. Bar Mitzvah age is 13. Bat Mitzvah is 13 except for some ultra-orthodox sects where it is 12. You can say that at that age you are not a "man" or "woman" but you really are not a child.

The UN and other government agencies likes to use "child" as long as possible. See, they say, " X 'children' were killed by guns last year!" Of curse, many of those "children" were teenage gang members or other hoods. But Joe Public does not dig that deep.

By the way, the age of "adulthood" is not at all fixed. Most older stuff I research in my job, pre-1900 or so, talks about age 20.

We do have an age of majority. That is why any state I have heard of if the marriage age is below 18 there must be parental consent. You cannot sign yourself out of HS before 18. But this does not mean you are a "child" one day and an "adult" the next.

My personal standard is your "childhood" ends when you turn 13. Then you are a teenager or a yute. You do not get all the perks of adulthood, but you must stop behaving as a child. But I will say it again. The group of people who are in favor of BC pills or abortions for 13 year olds outside of parental consent do not get to say she is a "child."

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