Democratic debates

October 5th, 2019 at 10:36:16 AM permalink
Shrek
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aceofspades, regardless of you being a lawyer, due to your posts, I would never consider listening to your judicial opinion
Ed, what happened to the kind man I met? Just a rude comment directed at Ace. No need for it here.

He used to be different?!

In my short time here, I've seen him call people pedophiles and now he's insulting another member's opinions. That's not what "kind" people do so I'm surprised to hear you say he was different.
October 5th, 2019 at 3:47:27 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Millionaire socialist Old Bernie is
hitting the trail 'harder than ever'
after his heart surgery. Millionaire
socialist, he's a walking oxymoron..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 5th, 2019 at 3:56:28 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: Evenbob
Millionaire socialist Old Bernie is
hitting the trail 'harder than ever'
after his heart surgery. Millionaire
socialist, he's a walking oxymoron..


He wants to increase taxes on all wealthy people, including himself.

He can support a policy change while making money. He would still be rich (as would everyone else) if taxes increase slightly, but millionaires, like himself, will pay slightly more.

It's like conservatives who bash social security and Medicare, while collecting SS and using Medicare.
October 5th, 2019 at 8:56:51 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Trump's approval rating among Blacks
is at 36%. The best it's ever been was
12% in 96 under Clinton. You never
hear about this, because it has Dems
jumping out windows. A year ago
it was 19%, now it's 36%. They said
if it went over 20% Trump would
be unbeatable in 2020.

There was a meeting in the WH this
week of young Black leaders. When
Trump walked in, they brought the
house down. They started screaming
and chanting before he even entered.
Trump said that's the loudest welcome
he's gotten from any group in the
WH.

Watch the first 1 min of this and tell
me Trump's chances for next year.
These are Black people and they
love Donald Trump. Think Obama
would have got even half this
reception?

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 5th, 2019 at 11:52:02 PM permalink
rxwine
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There are Trump true believers, then there's just the "sell-outs and suck-ups"

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Pompeo graduated first in his class at West Point decades ago, a feat that suggests enormous reserves of discipline, a profound respect for tradition and a talent for self-effacement when the circumstances warrant it. Trump possesses none of those qualities.

Pompeo is an evangelical Christian, steeped in the very dictums that Trump has spent a lifetime mocking with both his words and his deeds. And Pompeo has long believed in the importance of American military intervention abroad, the kind of activist role that Trump railed against during his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

In fact Pompeo, who was then a congressman from Kansas, supported Marco Rubio — and publicly praised him, while disparaging Trump, just before the state’s Republican caucus in March 2016. As Susan Glasser of The New Yorker recalled in an excellent recent profile of Pompeo, he sounded an alarm that Trump would be “an authoritarian president who ignored our Constitution.” He urged Republicans to come to their senses and resist the lure of the surging Trump campaign.
“It’s time,” he said, “to turn down the lights on the circus.”

But the lights continued to burn bright, so Pompeo just put on a clown suit, put away his ethics and finagled a big role under the Big Top.

He had plenty of company in that transformation. It’s the wonder of the Trump era and one of the saddest, scariest themes of the impeachment inquiry so far: the teeming crowd of sellouts and suck-ups who eagerly traded principle for position and are in some cases doubling and tripling down on that transaction, to a point where it’s fair to ask if there was ever much principle to begin with.

I’m looking at you, Lindsey Graham, who somehow decided that Trump was the new John McCain, which is like deeming tripe the new tenderloin. Hell, I’m looking at most of the Republicans in the Senate. I’m not so much looking at Attorney General William Barr, odious as his behavior has been, because it’s clear in retrospect that he never made much of a pretense of rectitude, at least not in the context of Trump. He also wasn’t on record trashing Trump, not the way Pompeo and Graham and so many others who now dutifully echo him and gaze beatifically at him were. They must have broken necks from their moral whiplash. Barr’s neck supports that big head of his just fine.

Pompeo, who first signed on as Trump’s C.I.A. director and then flattered his way to secretary of state, is a paragon of these lackeys-come-lately, and he’s especially vivid proof of how easily and completely the lure of power can overwhelm any call to conscience.

He raised his hand for secretary of state after he’d seen his predecessor, Rex Tillerson, humiliated by Trump and fired by tweet. This was more than a year into Trump’s presidency, by which point the rationalizations of other supposedly serious conservatives who took top administration jobs no longer held water. It was clear that Trump wasn’t just a few artful nudges away from proper presidential bearing. He couldn’t be lifted up because he was too busy cruelly dragging everyone else down.

But Pompeo had a heady shot at a vaunted job that almost surely wasn’t going to come his way any other time. So he lunged for it, then demonstrated with his obsequiousness that doing good and doing right were never high on the agenda.

He wrote an op-ed article that essentially broke with his fellow Republicans to promote Trump’s view that Saudi Arabia’s butchery of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi shouldn’t give anyone pause. What are a few severed body parts among allies?

He recalled the ambassador to Ukraine just to please the president and his babbling Beelzebub, Rudy Giuliani. He listened mutely to that July 25 phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president, decided to ignore what he heard and then claimed — until a few days ago — that he was utterly in the dark about any pressure on Ukraine to kneecap Joe Biden.

Had he spoken up or pushed back, he would have risked ending up on the outside, among the swelling Trump administration diaspora. He preferred the inside, with its glossier trappings and cushier thrones. He and his wife were diplomatic royalty, jetting around the world. He could bear the ache of a tongue full of tooth marks. Better to be a wretched part of history than no part at all.

The tale sounds familiar because it is. It’s the story of Faust, who sold his soul for renown, then endured the ugliness of that deal. It’s also the story of too many of Trump’s Republican enablers to count. Sure, they decided to prop and pretty him up, a man whose unfitness for the Oval Office was never really in doubt, out of tribal loyalty, a force far too potent in American politics today. But some rushed to him because that’s where the riches were, at least metaphorically. That’s where the fame was.

And they weren’t simply burying the hatchet with a politician who hadn’t been their preferred candidate or whose positions differed from theirs only slightly. They were dismantling the chain saw that they’d wielded in the face of a fraud whose conduct, along with some of his proposals, was antithetical to who they claimed to be.

Few people remember anymore, but just years before she became the dark empress of “alternative facts,” Kellyanne Conway was a respected, reasonably mainstream, uncontroversial Republican pollster and strategist. Just months before she joined Team Trump, she correctly labeled him “vulgar,” said that he wasn’t presidential, called him a liar and demanded his tax returns. Then he offered her the lofty job of managing his presidential campaign — and all the television airtime that came with it — and she turned herself into a kowtowing cartoon. She’ll never be seen the same way again. Was the ride really worth it?

And what was Mick Mulvaney thinking when he agreed to be Trump’s third chief of staff, having witnessed the tortures of chiefs Nos. 1 and 2? Before Trump was elected, Mulvaney called him and Hillary Clinton “two of the most flawed human beings running for president in the history of the country,” and lest you think Trump was merely collateral damage in her disparagement, Mulvaney separately called Trump “a terrible human being.” Now he calls him boss. Amazing how revulsion crumbles when relevance is in the equation.

Graham was oddly and briefly honest about this in an interview with The Times’s Mark Leibovich, framing his kinship with Trump, whom he once called “the world’s biggest jackass,” as part of his career-long quest “to try to be relevant.” This quest now involves the insistence that Trump, rather than abusing the presidency to dig up imagined dirt on a political rival, is the victim of some setup.

You can hear Graham’s version as predictably loopy illogic from a senator up for re-election next year in the deep-red state of South Carolina, but it’s more than that. It’s the fee for being able to get the president on the phone, for being invited to play golf with him, for feeling the rush of access, for crowing about your perch at the epicenter of the action. He and Pompeo will have insider anecdotes to last the rest of their lives. They’ll need just as long to convince themselves that they didn’t overpay.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
October 6th, 2019 at 10:39:45 AM permalink
Face
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Quote: rxwine
There are Trump true believers, then there's just the "sell-outs and suck-ups"


Have faith, rx. For every lickspittle there's someone with open eyes (bolding mine)...

Quote: Sanity circa Winter of 2016
P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece” about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.” He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay” for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking cunt billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “fuck it. Fuck them all”. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.
If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.
In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,” he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.”
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.”
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)
Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.
Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a fucking liar.
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.
Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.
That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him.


It's clear as a San Diego day. I find it hard to even critique the man as where in the f#$% would one even start? And I don't mean his "policies", I mean him as a human. He quite literally is the embodiment of brokenness with, again completely literally, not one single redeeming factor. Every single thread of him SCREAMS insecurity. Mf'er never even owned a dog before. Know why? Because that would require a mote of giving of oneself, to care about something that was not him, and this is, again completely literally, completely outside of the scope of his abilities.

Tell me this - have you ever seen him smile? Laugh? Look at something besides his own likeness with a sense of adoration? No, no, and no. He does not smile, he smirks. He does not laugh, he titters. The only thing smiles and laughs serve him are as weapons against those he disparages, or as a sign that you have said words which please him, which again, are only those that stroke his ego or attack his perceived enemies.

He is a severely damaged narcissist who has spent his life trying to fill the hole in his heart from the absence of his father, who even he was reported as "hoping his (Don) plane crashed". He's a silver spoon, affluent, idiot elite, who never had a single thing that wasn't handed to him, and he's spent his entire life trying to build an image that can fill the hole in his heart left by his absent father. "No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet!" His entire life is a lie to create an image to obscure the truth of what a hopeless, pathetic, small, vacuous man he really is, and no amount of gaslighting, obstruction, or projection will ever obscure mine eyes from seeing this truth.

May he live a long, long life.
Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it.
October 6th, 2019 at 11:27:25 AM permalink
Evenbob
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He is a severely damaged narcissist


That pretty much describes Obama,
Bush, Clinton, Reagon, Carter, Nixon,
Johnson, Kennedy. Why do you have
such a problem with it. As for the rest
of your ridiculous rant, who cares.
He's president, he's doing a great
job, live with it.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 6th, 2019 at 11:45:24 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: Evenbob
That pretty much describes Obama,
Bush, Clinton, Reagon, Carter, Nixon,
Johnson, Kennedy. Why do you have
such a problem with it. As for the rest
of your ridiculous rant, who cares.
He's president, he's doing a great
job, live with it.


I don't think Obama was a narcissist.
October 6th, 2019 at 11:53:54 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Gandler
I don't think Obama was a narcissist.


You're kidding, right?

Obama Sets New Record In Narcissism: Mentions Himself Almost 400 Times in 90-Minute Speech

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-obama-sets-new-record-narcissism-mentions-hank-berrien

David Cameron ‘thought Barack Obama was a self-absorbed narcissist’

"David Cameron privately believed that Barack Obama was one of the “most narcissistic, self-absorbed people” he had ever met"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/david-cameron-thought-barack-obama-was-a-self-absorbed-narcissist-kgbj0vxd6

There are hundreds of articles on
Obama's runaway obsession with
himself. He's a textbook narcissist.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 6th, 2019 at 12:12:19 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
I don't think Obama was a narcissist.


Webster could put his picture under the word.
The President is a fink.