Democratic Nominee in 2020

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February 15th, 2020 at 5:28:45 AM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
Threads: 17
Posts: 5041
Quote: Evenbob
Creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti was found guilty
on all counts in the New York court system yesterday.
Now he has to go to California where he will be convicted
on all counts there. Does this mean he probably won't
be the Democrat nominee? I just watched montages CNN
and MSNBC gushing over Avenatti and his chances of being
president. Very entertaining.




You said he would be the Dem nominee in 2020. Have any of your political predictions ever been right? (Hint: no!)
Are you better off than you were four years ago??
February 15th, 2020 at 6:50:11 AM permalink
SOOPOO
Member since: Feb 19, 2014
Threads: 10
Posts: 1456
Quote: rxwine
You have a right to free legal defense, provided you don't have the ability to pay for counsel..

Perfect example that takes care of everyone and provides everyone the basic right.

What we don't have is proper health care, provided you don't have the ability to pay. So that basic right isn't taken care of. You only have a right to emergency care at the moment. I'd never call the emergency care adequate by itself.


Medicaid is the program that provides proper healthcare if you don't have the ability to pay(meaning getting a job that gives health insurance). Around NINETY MILLION people are on Medicaid!!!!!
So poor people DO get health insurance! And for those who can't figure out that a job with benefits for a buck or two an hour less is better than the job they have, there are multiple low cost options that OBAMACARE has created. Add 10's of MILLIONS more. The government ALREADY either insures or subsidizes over 100 million AMERICANS! Are you not aware of this?
February 15th, 2020 at 7:07:26 AM permalink
SOOPOO
Member since: Feb 19, 2014
Threads: 10
Posts: 1456
Quote: Tripdufan
This is true. BUT...the question for the politicians is, HOW do they stay in office? By courting big money and special interest because that's how they win the "money primary," which is more important than the voting primary? By gerrymandering their districts so that they pick their voters?

Or

If we didn't allow big money to fund/influence our campaigns ("corporations are people"), would they be FORCED to court....the "rest of us" who have been "pretty much screwed"?


Or just let BLOOMBERG win because he uses his own big money to buy the nomination? You think that's better than allowing American citizens to donate to a candidate's campaign? Gotcha......
February 15th, 2020 at 7:54:00 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
Threads: 10
Posts: 770
Quote: AZDuffman
Ask an Indian. Ask one of the military who swan in radioactive water during nuclear tests. Ask someone who had some land the government wanted. Ask someone who owned senior debt of GM in 2009. Ask someone who was traveling with "too much cash" and had it taken at the airport.



Ok lot to unpack there.

Many countries seized land hundreds of years ago from Natives. Its history, they lost. Now, the U.S. throws billions at them every year, and allows them to have a lot of exclusive rights. None of which I agree with.... I say seize all of their land and make they integrate into real society.

U.S. military members swimming in radiation? Any service related radiation exposure is covered by the VA.... They get free healthcare and free monthly disability payments for life. Yes, it's horrible, but it's a risk when in the military, and at least the government provides a system to help. (And, back to my main point, an excellent system, one that we should emulate for our national healthcare system).

I don't agree with the GM bailout. But, that is hardly a sign of an evil county....

Any government in world can seize land. This is standard. The process in America is actually far better than almost anywhere else. In fact I would argue it take far longer than it should, especially at a local level...
Also, you support a massive wall, you do realize this would be the single largest eminent domain project in history? (and if you support a wall for all borders, biggest eminent domain project in world history).

As for "too much cash", I assume you are talking about civil forfeiture seizures? I probably agree that the process needs to change.


The fact that most of your examples of how America is an evil country are either the government paying for land (does not happen in a lot of places), people getting their money seized (terrible, but the norm in many third world countries, with zero recourse...), the government throwing money at companies, or ancient history, I think shows that America is the greatest country in the world.





Also, I should remind you Trump is a "huge fan" of eminent domain....
February 15th, 2020 at 8:25:05 AM permalink
KNathan
Member since: Dec 9, 2018
Threads: 37
Posts: 546
Quote: ams288
Quote: Evenbob
Creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti was found guilty
on all counts in the New York court system yesterday.
Now he has to go to California where he will be convicted
on all counts there. Does this mean he probably won't
be the Democrat nominee? I just watched montages CNN
and MSNBC gushing over Avenatti and his chances of being
president. Very entertaining.




You said he would be the Dem nominee in 2020. Have any of your political predictions ever been right? (Hint: no!)


In Evenbob's Defense he wouldn't have known anything was wrong with Avenatti until his Arrest/Indictment/Trial/Conviction. A Potential Presidential Candidate can look upstanding/Righteous/Good/Morally Right, etc and then be Convicted for having Raped his Secretary just a year ago. You never know.
February 15th, 2020 at 8:26:25 AM permalink
kenarman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 11
Posts: 1814
Quote: Gandler


Canada has a similar system, where there is government insurance and government clinics and hospitals, but also private facilities that you can go to if you need to (which you may or may not be able to use government insurance for, but you can always get supplemental insurance.) Essentially like VA coverage for everyone (VA you should use their facilities, but you can go elsewhere either on their insurance if approved or with your own).


You should do your research on Canada's system it is not what you believe at all. Each Province (think State) runs the health care system in their own Province. The Federal government doles out the majority of the funds to Provinces for health care and this is always a major negotiation between the feds and the provinces with lots of pork barrel politics going on. Each province sets their own rules on eligibility and there are significant differences from province to province.

Canada does not have and could not afford universal on demand health care. Costs are kept down with wait times. Wait times for things like knee and hip replacement range from 6 months to a couple of years depending on severity and where you live. If you have enough money you can go to a
'private clinic' that is not part of the public health system and pay $10's of thousands to jump the queue. The government is always hassling these 'private clinics' because they are perceived by the left as creating a two tier medical system.

The costs of a totally free and unlimited access health care system are beyond the means of any country. Canada's system is good and I fully support and enjoy the benefits of the system but be informed as the US goes down that path that it will not be as you imagine it. The provinces in Canada spend between 75 and 80% of their total budgets on health care and education. The remaining amount has to pay for all the government frills like transportation, government oversite, support for the poor, security and other expenditures that the population might also feel are important.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
February 15th, 2020 at 9:20:28 AM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 141
Posts: 8962
Quote: SOOPOO
Quote: rxwine
You have a right to free legal defense, provided you don't have the ability to pay for counsel..

Perfect example that takes care of everyone and provides everyone the basic right.

What we don't have is proper health care, provided you don't have the ability to pay. So that basic right isn't taken care of. You only have a right to emergency care at the moment. I'd never call the emergency care adequate by itself.


Medicaid is the program that provides proper healthcare if you don't have the ability to pay(meaning getting a job that gives health insurance). Around NINETY MILLION people are on Medicaid!!!!!
So poor people DO get health insurance! And for those who can't figure out that a job with benefits for a buck or two an hour less is better than the job they have, there are multiple low cost options that OBAMACARE has created. Add 10's of MILLIONS more. The government ALREADY either insures or subsidizes over 100 million AMERICANS! Are you not aware of this?


Here's a definition for you -Health care is a basic right in a Democratic society. It is no more a privilege based on ability to pay than is the right to vote, which was once accorded only to property owners.

I probably wouldn't argue with your presentation that "we already do that" except for quibbles. For instance, healthcare being the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US. Or people skipping medications because their "right" doesn't provide enough money to support the costs. Or even substituting veterinary drugs. Also, not sure a right should drain your bank account before you qualify for care. That word "subsidize" is tricky also. If I give you $500 off something you still can't afford, it's not much help. The system you support also gives free health care. Hardly something you need to beat the left over.
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February 15th, 2020 at 10:06:43 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 124
Posts: 11567
Quote: Gandler
Ok lot to unpack there.

Many countries seized land hundreds of years ago from Natives. Its history, they lost. Now, the U.S. throws billions at them every year, and allows them to have a lot of exclusive rights. None of which I agree with.... I say seize all of their land and make they integrate into real society.


Seizing land? That is just the start of it. How about decades of starving them on reservations? Integrating them into society? The Cherokee were all for that. Go to Oklahoma and ask them how that one turned out.

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U.S. military members swimming in radiation? Any service related radiation exposure is covered by the VA.... They get free healthcare and free monthly disability payments for life. Yes, it's horrible, but it's a risk when in the military, and at least the government provides a system to help. (And, back to my main point, an excellent system, one that we should emulate for our national healthcare system).


Yeah, I gave ya cancer and all kinds of other problems. Yeah, we told you to jump in that water. Here's some low end health care for us totally destroying your life. All good, eh?

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As for "too much cash", I assume you are talking about civil forfeiture seizures? I probably agree that the process needs to change.


I am talking about having cash on you because maybe you are in a cash business or maybe you just prefer to carry cash and the government outright stealing it just because you have it. Because they "think you are up to no good." I am not talking as part of a crime. I am talking no crime committed. It keeps happening.


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The fact that most of your examples of how America is an evil country are either the government paying for land (does not happen in a lot of places), people getting their money seized (terrible, but the norm in many third world countries, with zero recourse...), the government throwing money at companies, or ancient history, I think shows that America is the greatest country in the world.


Also, I should remind you Trump is a "huge fan" of eminent domain....


I am not talking about eminent domain. I am talking about the government outright reneging on it's word. On using it's own soldiers as test subjects without telling them. About stealing from it's people just because it has the muscle to do so.

You still believe what they taught you in school. I look at reality and real history. The US Government plays for keeps. And it's record is not near as stellar as you think.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
February 15th, 2020 at 10:34:41 AM permalink
petroglyph
Member since: Aug 3, 2014
Threads: 22
Posts: 4662
Whats that? What's that you say, Bloomberg and Clinton?
Everyone gets thrown from the plane to maintain altitude
February 15th, 2020 at 10:37:19 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 124
Posts: 11567
Quote: petroglyph
Whats that? What's that you say, Bloomberg and Clinton?


You beat me to that!

If it happens I have to wonder if I could buy a life insurance policy on him with myself as beneficiary.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it