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Easter: Message of Jesus?
| February 25th, 2018 at 1:28:07 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Your continual use of false numbers and myths about the Inquisition, Crusades, and witch trials are lies. You have been called out on them many times and given resources to discover the truth and you ignore them.
This is completely ignoring the science. The Big Bang theory is not about just our galaxy it is about the entire universe. I do know the difference between the universe and the galaxies that make it up. Do you have any idea what compressing all the matter, space, and energy of even just our galaxy into a singularity would do to the other galaxies around us? You have no evidence at all for a number of BB's in any galaxy and ignore that no scientist who I have ever heard at least has even remotely considered what you seem to be proposing. You are just making this up. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| February 25th, 2018 at 3:02:04 PM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | No, Bob did not invent the big bounce theory, and I am most certain it has been mentioned here before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| February 25th, 2018 at 3:26:36 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Not interested in the Vatican spin, entertain yourself with it.
Fraid not.. They don't even know what the 'entire' universe is. They don't even know what dark matter is, or dark energy, which makes up the majority of the universe. "What Is Dark Energy? More is unknown than is known. We know how much dark energy there is, other than that, it is a complete mystery. But it is an important mystery. It turns out that roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5%." So anything conclusive you can say is just folly based on guessing. But the Church has lots of practice making stuff up to fill in the gaps, doesn't it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 25th, 2018 at 3:32:38 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
"One of the main problems with the Big Bang theory is that at the moment of the Big Bang, there is a singularity of zero volume and infinite energy. This is normally interpreted as the end of the physics as we know it; in this case, of the theory of general relativity. This is why one expects quantum effects to become important and avoid the singularity. However, research in loop quantum cosmology purported to show that a previously existing universe collapsed, not to the point of singularity, but to a point before that where the quantum effects of gravity become so strongly repulsive that the universe rebounds back out, forming a new branch. Throughout this collapse and bounce, the evolution is unitary." The universe has been here forever, it just keeps recycling BB's over and over into infinity. You can actually feel the reality of this if you pay attention. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 25th, 2018 at 3:39:19 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Given that is facts as best we know them, I am a little surprised that you don't believe there is other life forms in the universe? Science has already concluded that organic matter exists elsewhere from earth, from that just add a few billions of years, and sunlight, voila. Sheer numbers makes alien life likely, with trillions of stars. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111026143721.htm The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| February 25th, 2018 at 3:55:57 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Never said that. I believe they have never come here, not that they don't exist. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 25th, 2018 at 5:19:48 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Apparently Wikipedia is Vatican spin as are most credible historians of that time period. This argument that anything I present is given by the Vatican and not worth your time is childish and beneath you. I think you are big enough to tell some kind of spin when you see it, why are you scared of hearing other opinions and retreating to your own little safe space? I read the stuff you quote and link to and some of it is just plain crazy garbage. I can tell that on my own though and anyone who is reasonable can tell as well.
Umm...the universe is the universe. This means all that exists, all matter, energy, space, and time. What do you mean we don't know what it is? I think everybody knows what it is.
I am sorry for continuing to call out your hypocrisy, but you don't seem to have any problems conclusively believing there is no God and that is just folly based on guessing. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| February 25th, 2018 at 5:27:16 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Now you are correctly saying the BB refers to the universe and I just want to make sure we are in agreement about that. Before it sounded like you were saying that the Big Bang was just our galaxy, you do know the BB refers to the entire universe, correct? Okay in regards to the Big Crunch theory it does not in any way support the idea of a universe existing forever. The matter and energy of the universe still had to come into existence and the first explosion, which began the series of Churches if you believe in this model, still had to happen. Remember you can't have an infinite regress of past events. Actually the motion of this recycling model seems to point even clearer to a first cause or prime mover. I don't know how to address your last line about "feeling" the reality of the universe being here forever if you pay attention. I just am running out of words to describe how disappointed and surprised I am that you can base something so against science and logic on nothing more than a feeling. At the same time you are only now coming around to understanding the concept of sin and that belief in God has evidence. Turn you complaints unto yourself and ask yourself what you would say to an Evenbob who believes in God if all he said was he has a feeling? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| February 25th, 2018 at 6:10:28 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Pretty much, yes. The Church controls a great deal of what is said about it on wiki. Just like all corporations control what is said about them. Ever try and alter a companies spin with the truth on wiki? You'll eventually be barred. I and a friend repeatedly tried to tell the truth about a reality TV show a few years ago and every time we did it was deleted by the owners of the show. So yeah, you better believe the Church controls what is said about it there.
Umm, no. The 'universe' is a catchall phrase, if you get specific it means much more than that. All the known galaxies are part of the universe, they aren't the universe. The universe itself has been here forever, the galaxies have not. The galaxies are in the universe, they come and they go, just like you and I. Here forever in different forms. You know this instinctively if you know how to look in the right place. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 25th, 2018 at 6:57:55 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Please tell me where to look because I don't know this instinctively. What are you talking about? All matter, energy, time, and space make up the universe and that does include every galaxy. The universe means everything, how do you get more specific than that? Also what are you talking about when you say galaxies come and go? I have never heard anything like that before? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |