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September 9th, 2018 at 12:13:59 PM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
Let's suppose the House votes to impeach, and the Senate votes to convict. After losing the trial, does the President have any recourse for an appeal? Nope. In 1993, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (unanimously) that after impeachment & conviction, the trial is over and there is no appeal to any court, not even the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court can't step in because the Constitution says the Senate has the "sole" power. The only people who can step in are the voters who can vote out the rogue Senators in the next election. Since there's no appeal, then the Senate could convict simply because they don't like the President, a crime does not need to be committed. District Judge John Pickering was impeached and convicted in 1803 for being an alcoholic. |
September 9th, 2018 at 3:57:39 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So what, it'll never happen. He hasn't committed an impeachable crime while president or we would have heard of it by now. They can only get him in a perjury trap, but lawyers are very savvy about that now after the Bill Clinton debacle.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 9th, 2018 at 6:07:59 PM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
Suppose the President had given a series of public speeches that were long-winded, rambling, and embarrassing. Those speeches couldn't possibly be the basis for an Article of Impeachment, right? As it turns out, in September of 1866, Andrew Johnson gave a series of embarrassing speeches, and those speeches were the basis for Article 10 of his impeachment. (The text of Article 10 mentioned that his speeches brought about "cries, jeers and laughter of the multitudes then assembled in hearing." Some crime, eh?) It's not often that I quote Ann Coulter, but here we go:
As Coulter points out, John Mordaunt was impeached for being uncivil towards a woman and William Scroggs was impeached for throwing wild parties. |
September 9th, 2018 at 8:05:33 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
""Andrew Johnson, who succeeded to the presidency following Abraham Lincoln's assassination in 1865, was impeached because of his failure to follow procedures specified in federal legislation (passed over his veto) that prohibited the firing of Cabinet officials without the permission of Congress." That was why he was impeached, for breaking an actual law. But the real reason was, he was totally against helping the freed slaves and rebuilding the South. So they tried to oust him.
In the House they can do it just because they don't like you. In the Senate, where your trial is held, the House is the prosecutor and has to prove actual crimes were committed and the Senate acts as a jury. In Clinton's case he did commit a crime, but the Senate decided it wasn't enough of a crime to warrant impeachment. The standards for impeaching a judge is very much lower than for impeaching a president. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 9th, 2018 at 8:07:41 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18629 |
You're going to cause EB's head to explode if he has to turn on Coulter. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
September 9th, 2018 at 8:13:57 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18629 |
You must think Clinton was impeached for lying about atomic secrets or something. Trump is right in that target box as well ---- easily. Probably be even more to it. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
September 9th, 2018 at 8:27:30 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
He was impeached for a crime, that's all they needed. If the House goes Dem, they'll find something that sounds like a crime. But the Senate will never impeach him, no party is going to throw their own man out of office and doom themselves in the next election. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 10th, 2018 at 2:37:45 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
Johnson was not about to help the slaves or punish the South. He was a Democrat. Lincoln formed a "unity ticket." The kind the lamestream media and RINOs suggested McCain form in 2008. Some of us laughed at that idea, as we knew how well it worked the first and IIRC last time it was tried. It would be like if Trump had put Biden on the ticket, to offer "balance." How much of Trump's agenda do you think Biden would support if Trump died and he was elevated? The President is a fink. |
September 10th, 2018 at 10:58:05 AM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
But let's not make the naive assumption that Congress is occupied by honest, honorable men who would never dream of abusing their power. My point is that the criteria for impeachment & conviction has nothing to do with whether the allegations are serious or whether the evidence is overwhelming. That part is irrelevant. The only criteria for conviction is whether 67 Senators decide it's in their own best interest for their own political careers to remove the President. The bottom line is that the President has no ability to appeal a bogus conviction, and every single member of Congress knows that. All that matters is the next election. My personal prediction is that the Dems will take the House in November, and the GOP will maintain control of the Senate. I'm predicting that the House will pass Articles of Impeachment in 2019. But there is absolutely no way that 67 Senators will vote to convict. Ain't gonna happen. |
September 10th, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Fantasyland, where the Libs dwell in restful delusions.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |