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| February 22nd, 2016 at 10:15:32 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Bingo! Hell moderne was invented by the people who wrote the NT and it's horror was embellished over the centuries by the Church. FrG talks very little about hell here, but if he's anything like other priests, he mentions hell and the 'evil one' all the time in sermons. It's a huge part of the Church's pitch. Keep em good and scared and you'll have them for life. I listened to a bunch of Catholic sermons on Youtube awhile back, by various priests, and they all loved talking about it. modern If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 22nd, 2016 at 10:59:12 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I think you know this doesn't logically follow.
Its an integral part of the human experience.
Again your argument makes no sense. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| February 22nd, 2016 at 10:59:59 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
If His creation really loved God then nobody would ever go there. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| February 22nd, 2016 at 11:08:13 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
As usual you are completely wrong with everything you say above. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| February 22nd, 2016 at 11:16:29 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
So it's a game, then. The god myth game. God creates everything, even the rules. And if his subjects in the myths don't behave the rules exactly, they are all punished eternally. But the eternal punishment didn't come along until the mythical god sent a get out of hell free card, Jesus. Now the game hit a new level, refuse Jesus and it's hell forever. How maniacal the early Christians must have been to come up with this horrible scenario. It puts the Marquis De Sade to shame for it's masochism. Worked a wonder on the ignorant though, which was all there was 2000 years ago. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 22nd, 2016 at 11:18:37 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
How many times was eternal punishment in hell mentioned in the OT? Look it up. The modern concept of hell was completely invented by whoever wrote the NT. How many times do we have to go over this. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 23rd, 2016 at 5:11:27 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
No, not a false dichotomy. You want something based on fact and truth to be something that appeals to our desires and opinions. There are lots of facts and truths that do not appeal to our desires and opinions. A different example - geocentrism. It makes sense that of god made the entire universe for us, that we would be in the center of the universe and everything would rotate around us. People wanted it to be true. It ended up not being true, and the earth, in the cosmic scale of things, ends up not looking very special. One of many planets orbiting one of many stars in orbit around one of many galaxies in motion through the universe. There are facts that back up the beliefs of other religions, too. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| February 23rd, 2016 at 5:17:38 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Did not create it for us, yet allows us to be sent there, and in fact promises sinners and non-believers will end up there. Not meant for us? Then don't send us there. You could use the same logic to suggest that heaven wasn't created for us, either. It is the home of god and angels, and we are allowed to be sent there. It looks like earth/the universe was the only place created for us. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| February 23rd, 2016 at 5:26:19 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Infinite punishment for finite transgressions and crimes is one of the things used to label the punishment, and the creator that allows it, as unjust. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| February 23rd, 2016 at 5:32:55 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Right, Jewish beliefs don't have this christian hell or eternal punishment. http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/heaven-and-hell-in-jewish-tradition/# "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |