Simple question?

The protestant version of infallibility is called "perspicuity" and it posits that the Bible is crystal clear and anyone can understand it without any assistance. Scripture alone is the infallible judge of faith. This obviously is not true based on our limited discussions about interpreting certain Scripture passages. It also has historically been shown to be false with the rise of so many denominations all claiming certain interpretations of texts to be the correct one.

You need someone to be infallible in just about everything. How can you play a game without a referee or judge whose word is final? I was at a conference about dialogue between Muslims and Jews not too long ago and the Muslim speaker boldly proclaimed that what Islam needs more than anything was an infallible Pope. Someone to say clearly that this is Islam and this most certainly is not.

Quote: FrGamble

There are other possible reasons for the existence of evil besides God not being omnipotent or being malevolent.

Nope. Your god supposedly created everything,
even evil. Nothing is outside of his control, it's a
closed system. Or so the myth says..

Nope. Evil is not created it is the absence of good. It can be permitted or allowed by a all-knowing all-good God.

Quote: FrGamble

It can be permitted or allowed by a all-knowing all-good God.

So the myth says he's controlling it, then.
If you're permitting something, it's under
your control. Everything in the quote I
posted is 100% true.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

The beauty is, he's got the falsity of
god nailed in just a few sentences.
Thousands of years ago. +1

Quote: FrGamble

The protestant version of infallibility is called "perspicuity" and it posits that the Bible is crystal clear and anyone can understand it without any assistance. Scripture alone is the infallible judge of faith. This obviously is not true based on our limited discussions about interpreting certain Scripture passages. It also has historically been shown to be false with the rise of so many denominations all claiming certain interpretations of texts to be the correct one.

You need someone to be infallible in just about everything. How can you play a game without a referee or judge whose word is final? I was at a conference about dialogue between Muslims and Jews not too long ago and the Muslim speaker boldly proclaimed that what Islam needs more than anything was an infallible Pope. Someone to say clearly that this is Islam and this most certainly is not.

False equivalence. I think we see plenty of times in sports when the referee whose word is final is wrong. Referees and judges are not infallible, nor do they claim to be.

It is clear that I personally don't require any religion to be infallible.

I have been trying to think of any groups outside of the religious ones who claim infallibility, or the inability to err.

If he is both able and willing then evil must be permitted for a reason in order to produce a greater good. The only falsity here is the false dichotomy being set up.

Quote: FrGamble

If he is both able and willing then evil must be permitted for a reason in order to produce a greater good. .

Now you're sounding like the wonderfully evil
Mom Teresa, who thought the suffering of
the dying to be a noble thing and encouraged
it wholeheartedly. Saying we need evil to
produce good is perverted, you realize that,
don't you? It makes your god look like a
horrific being, which of course he is, especially
in the OT. It's why atheists reject and are appalled
by religion.

Quote: FrGamble

Oh boy,...First of all the saints in Heaven do not lose their free will. They are so completely in communion with God that they cannot sin not because they are unable to but because there is no desire to.

Then why doesn't god present himself to us so that we can be in complete communion with him, have no desire to sin, and still retain our free will?

Quote: Dalex64

Then why doesn't god present himself to us so that we can be in complete communion with him, have no desire to sin, and still retain our free will?

He tried that already.

Quote: Evenbob

Saying we need evil to
produce good is perverted, you realize that,
don't you? .

Saying that this is what I said is false, you realize that don't you? What I'm saying is that God can make good come from evil. A simple glance at the crucifix should show you that. Evil's supposed triumph was it's greatest defeat. God and His love for us will never allow evil to be the last word. Good will always win out in the end. By the way you could also learn this lesson from Mother Teresa who took people dying in the streets, who the world had forgotten, and loved them and cared for them in their last days when no one else would. Love wins.