Simple question?

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Do you know whether this happens more or less often than alien abductions?

Partly because I don't think there is any real evidence of alien abductions I know that sadly exorcisms happen much more often.

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Sex between two men or two women is not natural and often leads to emotional, spiritual, and physical problems for one or both of the partners.

So it's exactly the same as sex between opposite sex couples.

Now, why do you persist in proclaiming objections to it? it seems you have nothing but prejudice, whether it's institutional or personal makes no difference.

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I think what is manipulative and an uncaring attitude is to just accept this type of sexual behavior as normal and pretend there is no problem with it.

So saying truthfully that it's normal and there's no problem with it now is manipulative?

Your church of the cult of Jesus is waaaaay too obsessed with sticking its nose inside people's bedrooms. That's what's unnatural and unhealthy.

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So it's exactly the same as sex between opposite sex couples.

It is pretty much the same as sex between two unmarried opposite sex people.

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Now, why do you persist in proclaiming objections to it? it seems you have nothing but prejudice, whether it's institutional or personal makes no difference.

It is not prejudice. When between two committed and loving people it is still unnatural and obviously not how our bodies were meant to work. Outside of a loving couple it is often part of an unhealthy promiscuous lifestyle shown to cause great harm to people.

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So saying truthfully that it's normal and there's no problem with it now is manipulative?

NO, saying untruthfully that it's normal and there's no problem with is manipulative.

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Your church of the cult of Jesus is waaaaay too obsessed with sticking its nose inside people's bedrooms. That's what's unnatural and unhealthy.

The Church is obsessed with helping people to life a healthy and holy life full of joy and real peace. There is nothing unnatural or unhealthy about that.

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The point is that it is not impossible! Nothing is impossible for God.

So because some imaginary deity doesn't find it impossible to live up to an impossible standard.... I'm sorry, you lost me.

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This is like saying I have a desire to drive my car. How I go about it is my affair, and has nothing to do with the manufacturer's recommendations or what I use for fuel.

Oh, no. it's like saying I desire to drive my car to a specific destination, and that has nothing to do with you or your deity.

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So you are saying that random chance and the laws of nature can produce supernovas, stars, and planets capable of sustaining complex life but they can't produce sharp stones?!?

We've observed billions and billions of stars, thousands of planets and many supernovas. we've yet to find a rock with a naturally produced cutting edge. We've also seen plenty of natural fibers, like cotton or wool, but no naturally produced yarn. We've also found lots of metal ores and even some elementary metals here and there, but not one naturally produced pair of scissors.

See, the former in every case is natural, the latter requires purposeful creation. Enter h. Sapiens and some of their ancestors and relatives, the only known creators in the visible universe.

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You lamented that humans don't always love truth and strive to do what is right.

I've never said anything remotely like that.

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That seems to be an acknowledgment that they should but something gets in the way of us doing that.

If anything does, is the ideologies religions keep trying to mindlessly impose on everyone else.

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An important part of the study of history is to not let your own personal opinions color the facts.

That's the kind of advice you should follow rather than dispense.

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So because some imaginary deity doesn't find it impossible to live up to an impossible standard.... I'm sorry, you lost me.

You seem to think it is impossible for you to reach the highest potential and to be the very best version of yourself. You seem to think the safe play is to just settle for the fact that you are good most of the time. I am telling you that with God in your life you be always better and reach the ultimate goal of your heart to be completely happy and perfect forever.

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Oh, no. it's like saying I desire to drive my car to a specific destination, and that has nothing to do with you or your deity.

Oh, okay I get it. You are saying I desire to drive my car off a cliff and that has nothing to do with me or my God.

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We've observed billions and billions of stars, thousands of planets and many supernovas. we've yet to find a rock with a naturally produced cutting edge. We've also seen plenty of natural fibers, like cotton or wool, but no naturally produced yarn. We've also found lots of metal ores and even some elementary metals here and there, but not one naturally produced pair of scissors.

See, the former in every case is natural, the latter requires purposeful creation. Enter h. Sapiens and some of their ancestors and relatives, the only known creators in the visible universe.

It continues to boggle me why you think that human beings taking natural things and creating something new is different than a creator taking natural things and creating something new.

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It is pretty much the same as sex between two unmarried opposite sex people.

Then why don't you try to make such relationships illegal, as you do with same sex ones?

Hypocrisy only makes things worse. I know you're obeying the unwritten yet most important commandment "Thou shalt always pick and choose," but that just exposes the hypocrisy inherent in your faith.

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It is not prejudice. When between two committed and loving people it is still unnatural and obviously not how our bodies were meant to work. Outside of a loving couple it is often part of an unhealthy promiscuous lifestyle shown to cause great harm to people.

1) Do you maintain the brain should be subordinate to the body?
2) How is a marriage promiscuous just because it's made of a same sex couple? That's prejudice of the first magnitude.

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NO, saying untruthfully that it's normal and there's no problem with is manipulative.

How can you say untruthfully something that is true?

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The Church is obsessed with helping people to life a healthy and holy life full of joy and real peace. There is nothing unnatural or unhealthy about that.

The church is obsessed with imposing its will on everyone, ergo the constant intrusion into people's private and intimate lives. That's not just unhealthy, it's sick.

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You seem to think it is impossible for you to reach the highest potential and to be the very best version of yourself. You seem to think the safe play is to just settle for the fact that you are good most of the time. I am telling you that with God in your life you be always better and reach the ultimate goal of your heart to be completely happy and perfect forever.

You seem to think you're making sense. Worse, you seem to think you're making good sense.

If I wanted the influence of a fictional character in my life, I'd pick someone cool like Rey or Wonder Woman or Dagny Taggart or Friday or even Batman. But I'd expect no great epiphany from them, beyond what's in the text or movie involved.

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Oh, okay I get it. You are saying I desire to drive my car off a cliff and that has nothing to do with me or my God.

It wouldn't. But your talent for missing analogies is astounding in its own right.

So let me state it clearly: I have no need or any kind of deity in my life, least of all the sadistic monster you worship as the creator.

Clear?

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It continues to boggle me why you think that human beings taking natural things and creating something new is different than a creator taking natural things and creating something new.

Oh, so how does Jehovah create the universe if he must take natural things from the universe in order to make anything?

I think your faith is showing cracks. Congrats!

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Then why don't you try to make such relationships illegal, as you do with same sex ones?

I was saying that unmarried sexual relationships, like same sex ones, are often hurtful physically, spiritually, and emotionally. I am not trying to make any of these relationships illegal.

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1) Do you maintain the brain should be subordinate to the body?

Quite the opposite reason should rule our bodies and what we do.

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2) How is a marriage promiscuous just because it's made of a same sex couple? That's prejudice of the first magnitude.

Outside of a committed legally protected relationship homosexual activity leads itself to promiscuity and an unhealthy lifestyle in much the same way that heterosexual activity does.

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How can you say untruthfully something that is true?

Logically you can't. However you are saying untruthful things and pretending they are true.

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Oh, so how does Jehovah create the universe if he must take natural things from the universe in order to make anything?

God created the universe and its laws so that such things as the earth and sun could form.

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I was saying that unmarried sexual relationships, like same sex ones, are often hurtful physically, spiritually, and emotionally.

That's quite the bigoted statement. Do you know any same sex couples not worn down by the guilt your cult insists on imposing on them?

You'll find same sex couples are little different from opposite sex couples, when they're not exposed to constant attacks on their relationships, like what you do here constantly. Have you no compassion? Have you no empathy?

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Quite the opposite reason should rule our bodies and what we do.

So if sexual attraction is natural, and according to you not a sin (it's also, I'm told, not the Force), then why should the brain which produces and experiences the attraction be subordinate to the body?

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Outside of a committed legally protected relationship homosexual activity leads itself to promiscuity and an unhealthy lifestyle in much the same way that heterosexual activity does.

Why are Christians so fearful of sex? And given what you said, how can it help to make same sex marriage illegal? Worse yet, why won't your cult accept such unions, if they be so necessary?

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Logically you can't.

So quit the rabid homophobia already!

And while you're at it, put the misogyny back in the closet.