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| July 4th, 2016 at 9:24:47 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
The Church hides it's agenda under the cover of 'love'. Real love is helping a person to be who they want to be, helping them achieve their goals. The Church's love is something quite different. It's the Church helping you to become what they want you to be, to believe what they want you to believe. To act in a way that the Church approves of. This isn't love, it's manipulation under the guise of love. It's a strict father figure who who says he wants what's best for you, as long as it's done his way with his goals in mind. You can always be better, do better, be more than you are, as long as you do it the Church's way. Propaganda, the Church invented it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 4th, 2016 at 9:52:33 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You have to be careful here. Is real love letting your daughter go out inappropriately dressed or allowing your children to drink alcohol? Is real love helping someone to do something you know will end up hurting them or causing them suffering or regret?
Again you need to ask yourself is there something wrong with a strict father who loves you very much and wants what is best for you? Does a father have a different perspective and vantage point then you might? Does a father or mother have experience and knowledge that you might not have that can help achieve goals you might not even dream about or know is possible? You sound a little like a spoiled teenager rebelling against parents who truly care and love you and you can it manipulation or propaganda. That is silly. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 4th, 2016 at 10:00:46 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22944 | How appropriate.
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| July 4th, 2016 at 11:54:13 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
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| July 4th, 2016 at 11:55:25 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 | edited If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 5th, 2016 at 12:16:00 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
You're using extreme examples as an excuse for sticking your nose into every facet of a persons life. People can't possibly run their own lives, they need one of gods mediators to do it for them. The burden of being the appointed moral arbiter must be crushing, how does the clergy do it..
You need to ask yourself about what the 'love' of the Church really means. You know damn well the torturers in the Inquisition told those they tortured that it was gods love they were giving them, this was all for their own good. And the sad and terrifying thing is, they totally believed it. They believed they were doing gods work out of love as they tried not to hear the screams of their victims. Just like you believe you're 'loving' Gay people by condemning their sex lives. That's not love my friend, that's manipulation and bigotry. We could get into the long history of Catholic 'love' and how it was meted out. The bottom line is, just because you call something love, that doesn't make it so. It's often ego driven manipulation and the desire to have power over people. The Church didn't invent that, but they certainly perfected it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 5th, 2016 at 6:32:24 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I've certainly no desire to measure myself against an impossible standard, in which nothing and no one are ever good enough. I've a desire to be happy. How I go about it is my affair, and has nothing to do with you or with your deity. I'd as soon consider religion a path to happiness as I would consider astrology a path to uncovering the mystery of dark matter.
The laws of nature allow for planets, stars, asteroids, etc. to accrete. The do not allow stones to accrete in a way that they form sharp-edged cutting tools suited to an up and coming hominid species.
A creator goes squarely against the laws of thermodynamics.
I've never said anything even remotely close to that.
Of course not. Only in the parts of it suffering through the Dark Ages.
I've read extensively about it. Some historians think the era is misnamed. They point to one or two innovations and think they've made a point, or make comparisons to the Greek Dark Ages after the Bronze-Age Collapse and say it wasn't that bad. I've also done more than read about it. I've thought about what I've read. The Dark Ages deserve every last bit of the bad reputation they've accrued. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| July 5th, 2016 at 6:58:42 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Do you know whether this happens more or less often than alien abductions? Relevant link for the day: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/a-psychiatrist-falls-for-exorcism/ Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| July 5th, 2016 at 9:14:22 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Wow, if you think daughters wearing inappropriate clothes or people struggling with addictions are extreme examples what do you think about the use of the Inquisition as an example?
People have to run their own lives, no one can do it for them. However, you would be a fool to think you know everything or that you always know what is best for you. Often times we need the advice and guidance of others. The clergy are not moral arbiters, they are only instruments of God's forgiveness and teachers of prayer. In regards to your exaggerated myths of the Inquisition I wonder if you believe the state has no right to punish people. The state was the one carrying out death sentences and torturing people in the ways you describe. How about a parents do they have the right to ground their children? How about employers do they have the right to fire or suspend people from their jobs?
Sex between two men or two women is not natural and often leads to emotional, spiritual, and physical problems for one or both of the partners. However I am not condemning their love life or their intimate sharing of life which has much more meaning than what is expressed through our genitalia. I think what is manipulative and an uncaring attitude is to just accept this type of sexual behavior as normal and pretend there is no problem with it. That my friend is not very loving.
Okay so you don't agree with my definition of love. You seem to think love is to let anyone do whatever it is they want. I think that is ego driven manipulation and the desire just to be political correct and have people like you. Maybe you want to have power over people, but I assure you that idea of love is about freedom and desiring the good for others. Fine, you disagree and say that the sexual activity of homosexuals is good and equal to heterosexual sexual activity. I think that is not right but you can believe it if you want. Just please don't ever try to tell me that my love for Nareed and others is motivated by ego or desire to have power because I can assure you that as usual you are dead wrong. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 5th, 2016 at 9:20:01 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The point is that it is not impossible! Nothing is impossible for God.
This is like saying I have a desire to drive my car. How I go about it is my affair, and has nothing to do with the manufacturer's recommendations or what I use for fuel.
So you are saying that random chance and the laws of nature can produce supernovas, stars, and planets capable of sustaining complex life but they can't produce sharp stones?!?
As does eternal energy.
You lamented that humans don't always love truth and strive to do what is right. That seems to be an acknowledgment that they should but something gets in the way of us doing that.
An important part of the study of history is to not let your own personal opinions color the facts. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |