Neo-monophysitism

Nareed, you can't win this argument. He's
been taught and has figured out every
comeback possible to anything you come
up with. He's a god salesman, his way
is the only way.

I was a magazine salesman in the first
job I ever had out of HS. I was having
a tough time. They would give us leads
and we would follow them up. The
guy teaching me was their top closer,
he could sell anybody anything. FrG
reminds me of him. He had a reasonable
argument against every excuse a potential
customer would throw at him. He would
eventually box them in and wear them
down, it was amazing to watch.

That's what FrG is doing. The problem is,
he has nothing to sell. His bag is empty.
There is no god, so all his compelling
arguments are meaningless. He's the
super snake oil salesman who's talking
to a crowd who already know he's a fake.
Half of good salesmanship is the customer
has to believe in your product at least
a little.

With god, with no evidence of god's existence,
the argument falls on deaf ears. There is
no god.

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He's been taught and has figured out every
comeback possible to anything you come
up with.

It's almost like they thought they were going to get called on some of this.

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It's almost like they thought they were going to get called on some of this.

There have been a few thousands of years for people to come up with all types of challenges and questions.

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There have been a few thousands of years for people to come up with all types of challenges and questions.

But now there is the internet.

Thank God for that.

Quote: FrGamble

Thank God for that.

But your arguments are hollow because
god doesn't exist. The arguments you
make are inspired by humans and not god.
Your church is built on human desires
and attitudes, there is no deity involved.
It exists because you all agree god is real.

It's not unlike the concept of money.
A one hundred dollar bill has nothing
of value to back it up, it only has worth
because we all agree it does. It that faith
fails, a currency will implode.

A religion is exactly the same. There is no
god to back it up, but that doesn't matter.
If enough people believe there is, the
religion will survive. Your church is not
a testament to Jesus or god or any deity,
it's a testament to human nature and
how we're all connected in a way we know
but can't really explain.

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...Now remember before you bring up all that Satan did to Job you can't treat everything as literal in this part of your post and then in a few lines say the whole this is hypothetical.

Is the anti-Christ not literal, or is he running around here somewhere?

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What about a family who is about to deliver a baby that the doctors all believe will only be alive a very short time and then will pass away. I'm also at the same time trying to help another family deal with the news that their newborn has serious heart issues and is going to need surgery very soon.

Are you supporting a transplant if necessary and possible, and would you be against this baby receiving any parts from an aborted fetus if it means the baby lives?

Just wag a number out there, say 2 million for this extra ordinary care. For the 2 mill this kids surgery and extra care for life, that's twenty kids that won't get, just plain "good" care.

Spock: "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". By not letting nature run it's course here, you may be subjecting this innocent baby into years of misery with their intervention.

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I don't believe anything sets Him off. But I do believe there are rules and laws, written in Scripture and reflected in nature that need to be followed or there are consequences.

Consequences Jehovah set up.

Look, in a universe made up of impersonal matter and forces, there are natural consequences to everything. But these are also impersonal, not directed or aimed at a set moral system. Yet if a deity did create the whole universe, then it also set up things so that the consequences fit a moral system, Therefore a number of things set your god off and he deals with them at his whim.

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I would expect a loving parent to do something about it. Maybe a parent would go and talk to the other parents and warn them, maybe if the loving parent was extra merciful He would warn them like 10 times that they should let His child be free of the mistreatment or else there would be serious consequences.

According to the book of Job, a loving parent would say "Where were you when I spent 12 years earning my degree? What do you know of my profession and how hard I work to feed you, you ungrateful brat?"

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There have been a few thousands of years for people to come up with all types of challenges and questions.

And in all that time you have developed but one answer. Go figure.

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But now there is the internet.

Rather now people are now afraid either of the imagined consequences like Hell, or of the power wielded by the church (as it no longer wields any power). This has been true, especially the latter part, for some time. A modern-day Martin Luther need not fear for their life should they dare to speak their mind.