Neo-monophysitism

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in an uncertain, largely unpredictable universe that is indifferent to our existence. .

This is where religion, especially Xtionity
comes in. They sell certainty to frightened
people. As a member of the cult, you have
friends who aren't indifferent to you, and
you're offered a certainty that god loves you
and will love you in the afterlife. All the Yahweh
religions sell this concept, it fills a need
some people have. Of course it creates a
lot of the need first, by pedaling sin, but
that's beside the point.

Quote: Evenbob

All the Yahweh
religions sell this concept, it fills a need
some people have.

Correction, it fills a need every single person has. A need to know they are loved.

Quote: Nareed

Is your fatalistic view of life your own or the one favored by the church?

Absolutely not! Again this is the point of the Book of Job. His friends come and tell him as you seem to be saying as well that God has forgotten Job or that Job has sinned and caused this hardship to fall upon him. Job rightly rejects these ideas and while he struggles with trying to understand why he is suffering he knows and has faith that God has not forgotten him and that he has not in some way deserved this suffering. Suffering and evil is a mystery and one that is felt by all human beings. God offers us not answers but hope and trust to persevere and continue on.

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If Jehovah were real we'd have to fight him and kill him.

Never have I heard a better definition of Original Sin.

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Really, try to comprehend this: there is no such thing as "God."

Really, try to comprehend this: there is a God. You attempting to say there is not is akin to proposing saying life and consciousness is meaningless and pointless - an idea we instinctually know is not true.

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If the story of Job were real, or even realistic, then I could ignore not just the opening, but all passages involving Jehovah, in particular his put-down of the protagonist near the end. Then his friends should be figuring out how best to help him, if possible, and offer support. Rather than wonder why Jehovah is mad at him.

It is not a put down at the end, but a statement of truth. One we are uncomfortable with, but that doesn't change it truthfulness. You or I don't and cannot understand the great mysteries of life. You can either have faith in God who is greater and offers salvation, hope, and eternal blessings or you can choose to not have faith in God and wallow in the pointless miseries of life. Do you really believe this fatalistic attitude.

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We will all die, someday. We have no guarantees as to how our lives will play out, how will the lives of our friends and family will play out. We are vulnerable to disease, accident, malice and more.

Very, very true. However, we do have one guarantee that our life is valuable and meaningful and that ultimate justice and peace, which we are all longing for, will be a reality for us thanks to God.

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Correction, it fills a need every single person has. A need to know they are loved.

But some of us don't have to make
up a deity to do that. We get it from
actual living sources like friends and
family and pets. And the thought of
that awful god in the Bible loving
anything is downright scary. It would
be like being loved by the Frakenstein
monster. Shudder...

Quote: FrGamble

Absolutely not!

Reducing something as complex as a human life to two, and only two, choices, seems like textbook fatalism to me.

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Really, try to comprehend this: there is a God. You attempting to say there is not is akin to proposing saying life and consciousness is meaningless and pointless - an idea we instinctually know is not true.

False dichotomy.

Have I ever said anything to lead you to believe I find human life to be pointless?

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Never have I heard a better definition of Original Sin.

Do you find my lack of faith disturbing? :)

You can also choose not to believe in god yet still appreciate the beauty and mysteries of the universe, and lead a purposeful and fulfilling life.

This is another one of those self-evident things, because people do it.

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You can also choose not to believe in god yet still appreciate the beauty and mysteries of the universe, and lead a purposeful and fulfilling life.

This is another one of those self-evident things, because people do it.

Better yet you can try to understand the mysteries of the universe and use the knowledge to improve your life, like we've been doing at full purpose since the days of Galileo and Newton.

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This is another one of those self-evident things, because people do it.

FrG fails to see how insideous his religion
is. They set themselves up as the worlds
moral arbiter, which they have zero right
to do. The church's claws have thankfully
been removed, but the orig intent is still
there. To control everybody and by doing
so, ensure the continuing wealth and power
of the Church.

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Better yet you can try to understand the mysteries of the universe and use the knowledge to improve your life, like we've been doing at full purpose since the days of Galileo and Newton.

It goes way back further than Galileo and Newton, try Adam and Eve.

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You can also choose not to believe in god yet still appreciate the beauty and mysteries of the universe, and lead and purposeful and fulfilling life.

This is another one of those self-evident things, because people do it.

I stand corrected.

Quote: FrGamble

It goes way back further than Galileo and Newton, try Adam and Eve.

That's like celebrating the scientific achievements of Reed Richards.