Are Men Avoiding Women

Quote: Wizard

I've never been accused of knowing a damn thing about women. That said, I've come to the opinion that what women want is pretty much the opposite of what women say women want. .

What they want and what they settle
for are two different things. They don't
really want what they think they want.

They may think they want an alpha,
but what they prefer is a guy they can
push around, who will put up with
their crap, tolerate their nonsense, and
not get upset with them too often. They
don't respect a guy like that, but an
alpha would never put up with their crap
and they know it. So they settle.

Quote: Evenbob

They may think they want an alpha,
but what they prefer is a guy they can
push around, who will put up with
their crap, tolerate their nonsense, and
not get upset with them too often. They
don't respect a guy like that, but an
alpha would never put up with their crap
and they know it. So they settle.

I think they truly want an alpha but they all can't have one. Maybe one guy in ten is a natural alpha. The other nine women who don't find one settle for a nice guy to push around and/or cheat with an alpha.

Quote: Wizard

I think they truly want an alpha but they all can't have one. Maybe one guy in ten is a natural alpha. The other nine women who don't find one settle for a nice guy to push around and/or cheat with an alpha.

The key seems to be that you need not be the minority alpha but you had better be a beta and not an omega. Not enough alphas to go around, but betas are still sure of themselves. Plus you need to have some manly skills and be able to get things done. I've had nights at the craps table where the women were just amazed at how I could just memorize all the needed stuff but also keep over hald a dozen people in control for two hours. Know how their car works and you can be as good as the alpha. Fix or build what they cannot. IOW, bring something to the table.

OTOH, an omega brings nothing and can be dominated at every turn. Nothing is attractive about this.

Quote: Wizard

I think they truly want an alpha but they all can't have one. Maybe one guy in ten is a natural alpha. The other nine women who don't find one settle for a nice guy to push around and/or cheat with an alpha.

Everybody wants a 10 without the attitude. I think the social pact is broken in the west.

Nice guys/gals get crapped on when that is exactly what society needs is Beta's and Omega's, Alpha's are only good to look at, they are not likely to stay faithful in marriage, just to many options and offers.

Women, like men want wild passion, Alpha males are uncontrollable and soon move on. Obviously there can be fatherless children left behind, and every time the woman gives herself away and the man leaves, the more bitter and less desirable she is, creating a nasty feedback loop. The women get meaner and uglier every day.

Most of the kids from those encounters will never have a good male roll model in their lives [for very long] as the good salt of the earth beta males can't stand the ugliness and they to move on.

So now we have [in the west] a society that this has played out on millions of times. We have young women who think they rate an alpha and good young beta males not entering the marriage paradigm, and that makes the women angry also. Young men have a constant stream of porn 24/7 that exposes any manner of sexual preference and have seen the suffering by friends already paying child support and alimony for what seems life. Why buy into that?

Legalize prostitution in all states, save lives, marriages, slow crime, and it's good for the economy, and all sexes. Marriage in most cases has turned into a scam. When women figure out a guy can save millions of dollars over a lifetime and have his needs fulfilled sexually by a young hot new woman every week, the sooner they will drop this bull crap of "I'm all that", and trading a miniscule amount of sex for a lifetime of financial support.

Producing a child shouldn't be a career goal or retirement plan, for a little sex. Sex in a relationship should not be a tool or a weapon.

Quote: Wizard

I think they truly want an alpha but they all can't have one. .

Most women are in competition with their
husbands, that's why you see it on sitcoms.
Every married couple relates to it. They
can't be in competition with an alpha,
so they never last with one. Johnny Carson
was an alpha, he was married 6 times. Same
with Cary Grant. People like John Wayne
and Chuck Heston had long marriages, but
they said the secret was never argue with
your wife about anything. Do what you want
and they get over it or they don't.

You'd think Sinatra was an alpha, but he was
really just a bully. He was a big crybaby where
women were concerned. That's why he preferred
hookers, he didn't get along with women all
that well. He always said he wasn't paying
them for sex, he could get that anywhere for
nothing. He said he was paying a hooker to leave,
a luxury you don't get with casual sex or a GF.

Quote: petroglyph

So now we have [in the west] a society that this has played out on millions of times. We have young women who think they rate an alpha and good young beta males not entering the marriage paradigm, and that makes the women angry also. Young men have a constant stream of porn 24/7 that exposes any manner of sexual preference and have seen the suffering by friends already paying child support and alimony for what seems life. Why buy into that?

Part of what has happened in the west is feminism has made many women confused about life. Fact is many women would rather be able to raise the kids and provide the "home" for the family. But around the mid-1960s the women who did not want this started to convince the rest that they were somehow "wasting" their lives if they "stayed home and baked cookies." So many went to work and put off the kids. Then they wondered why they were not happier like they were "supposed" to be. Doesn't help much when popular culture shows an idealized version of work on TV and movies and when you get to work it is not like this.

Meanwhile, the guys kept getting kicked to the curb. They were not needed, just a healthy hunk of their paychecks. More and more guys see the way a guy can be shaken down by the court system and all of the sudden other options look better.

The current "degenderization" that is being pushed on society will make this situation even worse.

Quote: Evenbob

He always said he wasn't paying
them for sex, he could get that anywhere for
nothing. He said he was paying a hooker to leave,
a luxury you don't get with casual sex or a GF.

Whether or not people want to acknowledge this truth or not, there is an undeniable truth in there.

Take the morality, prejudice, religion, stigma and every other false directive out of the equation and the truth is, people have always had sex.

That is a fact, and it is normal.

If the anti-abortionists really want to cut down on abortions, the single biggest thing they could do is legalize prostitution. It would save millions of fetus's from being destroyed, and save tons of sorrow and grief. But the power to get pregnant and gain control is just to valuable to the moral authority's and women.

I think that saving it until marriage is a huge mistake. People should live together and try everything for two years before marriage, and there wouldn't be so many painful surprises, abortions, unwanted children, fatherless children with no direction or discipline.

It is time to stop the lies.

Quote: AZDuffman

The current "degenderization" that is being pushed on society will make this situation even worse.

See, I don't think any of it is that predictable. Each generation comes in with different ideas and new trends. A lot of it is just a variation of stuff which came before.

Young people especially are very good at going the opposite of what you expect.

Quote: petroglyph

If the anti-abortionists really want to cut down on abortions, the single biggest thing they could do is legalize prostitution. It would save millions of fetus's from being destroyed, and save tons of sorrow and grief.

While neither is a big issue to me, I really do not see the connection to legalized prostitution and fewer abortions.

Quote: petroglyph

Whether or not people want to acknowledge this truth or not, there is an undeniable truth in there.
.

All Frank wanted from women is sex. He
spent the prime years of his life, mostly
from 35-50, without being married. More
like 37-50. He was married to Ava till the
mid 50's, but they were separated for
years before that. Frank didn't pall around
with women, he loved hanging out with
his male friends. All he wanted from a
woman is sex. I bet there are more men like
Frank than not..