Gun Control

Quote: Beethoven

OK, that's fair enough. Would this more recent article make you feel better? ;) lol

Ban knives? Murrysville school attack prompts gun debate

So now you send me a link to a 2014 BBC article. This 2014 BBC article does briefly discuss the possibility of banning knives by linking to Alex Jones' Infowars website. (Alex Jones is my go to source for analysis of Obama's birth certificate.) So if you click on infowars, the headline reads: "SCHOOL STABBING: TIME TO REGISTER KNIVES" And Beethoven, to your credit, the infowars article is indeed from 2014.

But take a wild guess what the source is for "SCHOOL STABBING: TIME TO REGISTER KNIVES"???? The BBC article from 2005!!

Give it up already. This is getting ridiculous.

Facepalm.

Quote: reno

So now you send me a link to a 2014 BBC article. This 2014 BBC article does briefly discuss the possibility of banning knives by linking to Alex Jones' Infowars website. (Alex Jones is my go to source for analysis of Obama's birth certificate.) So if you click on infowars, the headline reads: "SCHOOL STABBING: TIME TO REGISTER KNIVES" And Beethoven, to your credit, the infowars article is indeed from 2014.

But take a wild guess what the source is for "SCHOOL STABBING: TIME TO REGISTER KNIVES"???? The BBC article from 2005!!

Give it up already. This is getting ridiculous.

Facepalm.

LOL...you missed the point. Both times.

The first story was in response to those who were immediately calling for gun control after the Elliot Rodger murders.....yet they had conveniently ignored the fact that he killed an equal number of people by knife. So if someone's gonna cry for gun control, then they'd better cry for knife control as well (which is what Truth Revolt was pointing out through irony).

The second story I linked to was in response to the Alex Hribal stabbings. Same point. Where are the knife control people?

And the same point will be brought up after the next shooting/stabbing occurs because it's so predictable with the gun control crowd. Simply put, it doesn't matter how old the stories are because the underlying point remains valid—which is to bring attention to the hypocrisy of people who cry for gun control, but not knife control.

Quote: Beethoven

I'm very curious how casinos here in Vegas handle situations with firearms. Do any of the locals out there know?

Locals? You don't gotta be no local... just watch YouTube about some idiot with an EMPTY holster entering a casino. During this incident the security people got a call about a patron with a gun and went off to deal with it then came back to deal with the gun-less holster toter.

Quote: Face

I think it's the definition of "common sense".

Cowpokes being forced to leave their shootin' irons tied to their horse would be similar to Chipotle's saying "Hey, pard', maybe leave the ARs at home". I certainly have no problem with that.

Its the same way with yachts. You sail into gun-play weary Ireland and honestly disclose your armament to the Customs Officer and he just holds it for you. If you intend to leave Irish waters by a different port, that is okay... when you do leave, that customs officer will quietly return it to you. No fuss, no fees. No forms.

Try the same thing in the Bahamas or in Guatemala and it will be twenty or ten years respectively before you get out of jail.

Beethoven's right.

It's been awhile since I used my gun to do everyday tasks like chop vegetables and check to see whether my chicken is done on the BBQ. Of course, if I leave my gun laying around the kitchen, I hope that my kid doesn't use it and accidentedly shoot someone.

Of course, a better solution would be to recognize and take care of mental illnesses to prevent these incidences from happening. But few countries are good at doing this, and i feel that the libertarian sect on this site wouldn't support any addition government funding to pay for mentally sick people. So I guess that if they don't have the appropriate health insurance, probably the best approach would be put them in a padded bulletproof cell with a loaded gun. It fulfills their 2nd amendment right and probably guarantees the lowest cost to "take care" of these people.

Given that the killings were done by someone with poor mental health, would anyone support a mental fitness test for anyone before they buy any weapons?

I didn't think so.

Quote: boymimbo

It's been awhile since I used my gun to do everyday tasks like chop vegetables and check to see whether my chicken is done on the BBQ. Of course, if I leave my gun laying around the kitchen, I hope that my kid doesn't use it and accidentedly shoot someone.

Of course, a better solution would be to recognize and take care of mental illnesses to prevent these incidences from happening. But few countries are good at doing this, and i feel that the libertarian sect on this site wouldn't support any addition government funding to pay for mentally sick people. So I guess that if they don't have the appropriate health insurance, probably the best approach would be put them in a padded bulletproof cell with a loaded gun. It fulfills their 2nd amendment right and probably guarantees the lowest cost to "take care" of these people.

Given that the killings were done by someone with poor mental health, would anyone support a mental fitness test for anyone before they buy any weapons?

I didn't think so.

You'd probably scare a significant part of the gun lobby trying to get them to submit to mental fitness tests.

Anyway, talk of knives is funny. It's like comparing losses of -ev slot play to better ev games. Sure slots with low return can get great wins once in awhile but overall they are losers. Knives don't compare to guns. Heck if you eliminated stray injuries from people getting hit across wide spaces, even through walls, guns show a greater destructive value. Imagine the time and energy to chase all the people you want to kill if they aren't concentrated in a crowd or probably asleep like the California shooter's roommates.

Besides why would anyone ban knives when there are guns around. It's like going after marijuana when you have meth, crack and heroin.

And knives are useful tools, as are cars.

Laws that can't stop everything aren't useless. I'd like to see our pro-gun law makers weaken prescription drug laws because criminals are still found to get prescription drugs. Or laws restricting access to anything. Just make credit cards easier to steal, because there is proof criminals steal them anyway.

That's the logic being used to deny better gun laws on ID. Just because a law didn't stop one shooter, doesn't mean it hasn't stopped others.

Quote: boymimbo

Of course, a better solution would be to recognize and take care of mental illnesses to prevent these incidences from happening. But few countries are good at doing this, and i feel that the libertarian sect on this site wouldn't support any addition government funding to pay for mentally sick people.

Additional? We used to take care of them pre-mid-1960s. At that point it was decided institutionalizing them was mean and they were thrown out on the streets. This is a big reason why there was not a major homeless problem in the USA before the 70s. People that we would once have kept inside were thrown out. Some just can't make it at all. Some could but keep falling off their medicine. Some are dangerous to others, some are most dangerous to themselves.

Mental institutions are not fun places, but the sad reality is they can be the only hope for some people. Curiously for the first time my research showed a landowner who was declared a lunatic. When his land was sold off instead of his name in many places it said "lunatic." Thinking about it, this is what changing words does sometimes. Today they are "insane" or "mentally ill." But in old court cases the index doesn't sugar coat is, the term in the case is "lunacy." If we were not so worried about people's feelings and went back to calling really ill people "lunatics" it might wake society up.

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Given that the killings were done by someone with poor mental health, would anyone support a mental fitness test for anyone before they buy any weapons?

No. In PA there at least used to be a question "are you of sound mind" on conceal-carry permits. It would be a hardship for people to have to pay for this test as well. We are not supposed to have to pay even a small fee to exercise our rights.

Just use the mental health reporting systems we have now, but go back to where you pull people who can't handle life from society. Nurse Rachet kept them in line.

Quote: boymimbo

...would anyone support a mental fitness test for anyone before they buy any weapons?

I didn't think so.

Sure, I'll consider that right after you support a "Voter ID Test" to be given before people vote.

I didn't think so.

You don't think people should be mentally fit in order to vote?

Read what I wrote. (re: VOTER ID)