Gun Control

Quote: Face

For example, my 80yr old granpa is not long for this world. When he dies, I will be very sad. He is a large part of my life. But dying after 80 will just bring sadness. There's no sorrow, regret, anger; he lived a long and good life. And I know there will be some joy peppered in there, as his passing will cause a flood of memories of him, all of which were great. Those memories will return me to the

That is a large part of why I "take the chance" of being a gun owner, and why I support it for everyone else. I know there's idiot gun owners out there, hell, I'm friends with some. But being shot by a retard friend or shooting myself in a reloading accident weighs waaaaay different for me than being shot by some punk that wants me dead. Assuming I survive, the first two I mentally get over that day and go on with life. The last one though will haunt me for life, and twist me into someone I don't want to be. Someone no one wants me to be.

Is there not that extreme difference for you?

+1 to it all, (some content removed to save space)

FWIW my own grandfather took his life by a gun. We still have the gun in the family. We made sure the cops knew we wanted it back when the investigation was over. (The cops asked, some people want it back, some never want to see the gun again.) Like Face's grandfather, he had a full life, left good memories, but it was his time.

Quote: Face

Let me ask you, boymimbo, because this would clear a lot of things up. Do you value deaths differently based on circumstance? Or do all deaths register the same for you? They register very differently for me, and I wonder if that might be a part of our differences in beliefs.

To me, the only circumstance where I have justification in killing another human being is if my life or someone else is in immiment danger and I feel that I have no choice but to take the life of another. I know there are athiests and agnostics out there, but what would Jesus do? What does the ten commandments say?

Property crimes and injuries is not justification to take another's life (Property is replaceable, and bones heal). The fact that someone else has malice or evil intentions towards me is also not justification.

You get me wrong, though, Face. I am not against your 2nd amendment rights of owning a gun and I am not against you being able to use your gun against someone when you face immiment danger. And in a perfect society, that is ONLY when guns would be used (plus, I suppose, an uprising against the establishment, and war). But society isn't perfect. There are thousands of ancilliary deaths due to the fact that someone legally owned a gun and was able to carry the gun, legally, but the gun got used in imperfect situations anyway, such as accidents, road rage incidents, suicides, homocides, etc. All of those deaths are senseless. Families are grieving, and nothing, even the death penalty for the perpetrator, brings back that life.

Your emotions and feelings about someone dying are just that. You own those feelings. The fact that the person is gone, no matter the reason, cannot be replaced by anything. We should be thinking about how we minimize deaths due to guns, and to me, the evidence suggests that a well armed society results in many many more senseless deaths than an unarmed one, because while we are most of the time an intelligent race, there are times when all of us succumb to moments of thoughtlessness, despair, and anger. And I think it does society well to protect ourselves against ourselves.

There is nothing in the statistics to prove that carry/conceal laws lowers or raises crime. There is nothing in the statistics that proves that stricter gun control measures raises or lower crimes (it's the enforcement anyway that matters). Yes, there are examples that can illustrate a point of view in each way, but neither side is definitive on this matter.

But the statistics CLEARLY shows a relationship between gun ownership and gun deaths. So, for me, before you go and own a gun, I would just ask that you consider all of the risks given that one truth, and maybe, maybe, put rules and regulations that reduce gun deaths for gun owners, to protect them from themselves and others while upholding their 2nd Amendment rights.

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There is nothing in the statistics to prove that carry/conceal laws lowers or raises crime. There is nothing in the statistics that proves that stricter gun control measures raises or lower crimes (it's the enforcement anyway that matters). Yes, there are examples that can illustrate a point of view in each way, but neither side is definitive on this matter.

If this is the case then we should have "shall issue" conceal/carry laws in all jurisdictions. Because there is a correlation that more gun control means more gun crime.

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But the statistics CLEARLY shows a relationship between gun ownership and gun deaths. So, for me, before you go and own a gun, I would just ask that you consider all of the risks given that one truth, and maybe, maybe, put rules and regulations that reduce gun deaths for gun owners, to protect them from themselves and others while upholding their 2nd Amendment rights.

What "statistics" show this? As to regulations, we already have many and they do the job. Gun deaths that I see happen are either already breaking a law or regulation or accidents that you cannot legislate away.

I really don't need protection from myself, nor does any other adult in a free society.

Quote: boymimbo

I don't have problems with the 2nd amendment.

You keep saying this, but based on your posts over the past 2 years, that doesn't seem to be true.

Airport security: 99.9999% of us don't carry weapons or metal onto planes, yet we all must take off our shoes and belts and pass through metal detectors.

...yet the underwear bomber still made it through!

Peanut Allergies: 99% of us don't have a peanut allergy, yet at many schools, you aren't allowed to take peanut product to school in case someone has a reaction.

Um...do we ban peanuts???

Cars: 99.9999% of cars are safe, yet recalls are performed to millions of cars due to an incident on very few automobiles.

Um...do we ban cars???

Child Pornogprahy: 99.99% of people do not get turned on by pictures of naked children, but because .01% do, there are strict laws against showing pictures of naked children on the internet.

Um...do we ban the internet???

Guns: 99.99% of people handle guns responsibly, but then there's these two idiots.

Of all the things you mentioned, this is the only one explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, yet this doesn't matter to you. I don't know whether to LOL or *facepalm*

Quote: Face

If he died from malice, though... that takes the cake. Sadness, regret, grief... all those would be present, but they'd be blown away by the murderous rage I'd succumb to. All the other deaths I look at as a part of life, a roll of the dice, a turn of the cards. But death by purpose is something I cannot handle and will not stand for. If someone were to attempt to murder my father or mother or son, then they must die and I will try to see that it is so, immediately

Just about any tragedy I can forgive, any injury for any reason I can handle Christ-like. But malice I cannot tolerate.

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Quote: Face

That is a large part of why I "take the chance" of being a gun owner, and why I support it for everyone else. I know there's idiot gun owners out there, hell, I'm friends with some. But being shot by a retard friend or shooting myself in a reloading accident weighs waaaaay different for me than being shot by some punk that wants me dead.

+1

Quote: AZDuffman

If this is the case then we should have "shall issue" conceal/carry laws in all jurisdictions. Because there is a correlation that more gun control means more gun crime.

Not true, or are you getting this from the same site as the 93 year-old grandma?

Quote: AZ

What "statistics" show this? As to regulations, we already have many and they do the job. Gun deaths that I see happen are either already breaking a law or regulation or accidents that you cannot legislate away.

I really don't need protection from myself, nor does any other adult in a free society.

Let's start with this..
... ... or the four studies outlined here .'

Or you can look at Switzerland. Plenty of guns, lots of gun control, little gun crime.

I know, it's like global warming. You don't believe what you don't want to believe.

You can respond with Breitbart, come on, I know you will. Do it. Or Australia. Come on. I've got responses for those.

Quote: boymimbo

But the statistics CLEARLY shows a relationship between gun ownership and gun deaths. .

They also show a clear relationship between car
deaths and car ownership. This is why there are
no cars in Canada.

Quote: boymimbo

You can respond with Breitbart, come on, I know you will.

What's wrong with Breitbart?

I love how libs blast sites like Breitbart, yet in the very next breath, they say that Breitbart should be more objective...............like the New Yuck Times. lol

Quote: boymimbo

Not true, or are you getting this from the same site as the 93 year-old grandma?

Chicago, Washington DC, L.A., New Orleans. Very strict gun laws, very high crime.

Oh yeah, MEXICO! Very strict gun laws, much gun violence.

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I know, it's like global warming. You don't believe what you don't want to believe.

You mean I don't believe the opposite of what I see just because some scientist told me to? Because some statistician told me so?

Quote: Beethoven

What's wrong with Breitbart?
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Libs hate Breitbart because they expose the Libs
for the liars and hypocrites they are. Just recently
they sent spies into Planned Parenthood and got
video of workers teaching 15 year old girls how
to have sex that involves inflicting pain. S&M,
bondage.. And the gov't supports these people.