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Quote: boymimbo

Mission Accomplished. Invade a foreign country, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

I have no feelings about Iraq. They all hate each
other over there. Does anybody remember the
Iran/Iraq war that lasted about 10 years? All we
did by invading Iraq was soften them up for an
eventual takeover by Iran. And now it's happening.

Barry is just a tool, what else is new.

1. No one paid attention to what Mitt was saying in 2010 either. It's 2014, the primaries for president are 1.5 years away, and no one is paying attention to what Hilary is saying except the ultra-right (aka Fox News) who is trying to unseat her 2 years in advance, because you know, a statement about what a possible candidate says in 2014 really matters.

2. You missed of course the 2nd half of my statement which said that the 100 million that the Clinton Foundation gives away every year provides the Clintons with a free pass, despite their wealth.

3. It's easy to give more money to charity when you are worth 200 million. Obamas made $789.674 in 2011 and gave $172,130 to Charity, about 22% of income. Bidens made $379,035 in 2011 and gave only $5K to charity. Romney in 2011 made 13.7 million and reported 2.5 million in Charity. It's easy to surpass Obama's number when you make 18 times the amount. Talk about a shift however: we were comparing Clinton to Romney and you brought in Obama. Hah!

4. Romney ran Bain Capital and this is how he created jobs, Or as governor, when Massechusetts, when the state ranked 47th of 50th states in job creation. So, how did Romney create jobs, again? Romney was a company flipper, transferring jobs overseas when possible. You still didn't give me the proper Republican response though, though your link is close.

5. I'm blaming the Iraq war of course on Bush. What would your foreign policy be on Iraq? Would you support troops still in Iraq today? How about blaming Iraq's problems, on say, Iraq?

Quote: boymimbo

4. Romney ran Bain Capital and this is how he created jobs, Or as governor, when Massechusetts, when the state ranked 47th of 50th states in job creation. So, how did Romney create jobs, again? Romney was a company flipper, transferring jobs overseas when possible. You still didn't give me the proper Republican response though, though your link is close.

Yes, Bain created and maintained jobs. More than Obama ever created by his own creation of wealth, which is zero jobs.

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5. I'm blaming the Iraq war of course on Bush. What would your foreign policy be on Iraq? Would you support troops still in Iraq today? How about blaming Iraq's problems, on say, Iraq?

How would you blame Iraq on Bush when he left a stable government there six years ago and it is now a disaster? Obama is just repeating the mistake of letting South Vietnam fall. We should have kept a base there, same as we did in West Germany and South Korea. I blame Obama 100% as he got the policy he wanted, 100% withdraw. Just giving credit where credit is due.

I hate to break this to you, but the Iraq War was started by Hussein in August 1990.

Quote: boymimbo

No one paid attention to what Mitt was saying in 2010 either.

Huh?? Apparently you haven't paid attention to politics over the last 20 years. FYI, Romney's wealth has been well documented since at least 1994 (when he ran against Ted Kennedy).

Quote: boymimbo

You missed of course the 2nd half of my statement which said that the 100 million that the Clinton Foundation gives away every year provides the Clintons with a free pass, despite their wealth.

You missed my statement about Romney donating more than both Obama AND Biden in 2011.

Quote: boymimbo

It's easy to give more money to charity when you are worth 200 million...It's easy to surpass Obama's number when you make 18 times the amount.

Apparently you didn't read the very first sentence of the article I directed you to. FYI, Romney donated more than Obama & Biden in 2011 both in dollar terms AND as a percentage of income.

Quote: boymimbo

Talk about a shift however: we were comparing Clinton to Romney and you brought in Obama. Hah!

But too bad you failed to mention that I was responding to this silly statement of yours...lol:

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It's the perception of generosity (or lack of, in Romney's care) that matters.

I was just smacking down that ridiculous assertion. ;)

Quote: boymimbo

I'm blaming the Iraq war of course on Bush.

I get it, so the incompetence over the past 6 years is....................Bush's fault?! *FACEPALM*


So I guess boymimbo thinks that George W. Bush is responsible for this:

Obama Slammed For 2011 Troop Withdrawal

Quote: AZDuffman

Yes, Bain created and maintained jobs. More than Obama ever created by his own creation of wealth, which is zero jobs.

Quote: AZDuffman

How would you blame Iraq on Bush when he left a stable government there six years ago and it is now a disaster?

+1, +1

Quote: AZDuffman

How would you blame Iraq on Bush when he left a stable government there six years ago and it is now a disaster? Obama is just repeating the mistake of letting South Vietnam fall. We should have kept a base there, same as we did in West Germany and South Korea. I blame Obama 100% as he got the policy he wanted, 100% withdraw. Just giving credit where credit is due.

Haven't you said before that area of the world should remain unstable? You should be thanking Obama if you think he is responsible.

Iraq is not our country. Whatever Bush promised he'd do, he can't just expect the next President to carry it out if he didn't do it.

And that is true of every President.

Quote: AZDuffman

Yes, Bain created and maintained jobs. More than Obama ever created by his own creation of wealth, which is zero jobs.

Statistics, please, showing the number of American jobs created by Bain Capital. The best estimate is "probably", but clearly, Bain was an investment company and part of its prime activity (see Marion, Indiana) was to buy companies on the cheap, restructure them, and sell them for a profit, often involving outsourcing. And Romney ran that company. It was Beethoven who asked what job creation, Bain, and Romney had to do with each other.

Quote: AZDuffman

How would you blame Iraq on Bush when he left a stable government there six years ago and it is now a disaster? Obama is just repeating the mistake of letting South Vietnam fall. We should have kept a base there, same as we did in West Germany and South Korea. I blame Obama 100% as he got the policy he wanted, 100% withdraw. Just giving credit where credit is due.

I hate to break this to you, but the Iraq War was started by Hussein in August 1990.

Nonsense, you know it. The Iraq War in 2003 was optional, prompted by false intelligence and a desire to sustain American imperialism. There was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq and no WMD. But you could look at it this way: Bush was responsible in November 2008 for the Iraq-US SOFA agreement that withdrew all troops by 12/31/2011, which the stable Iraqi government and the American people strongly supported. At that time, Bush could have negotiated for a base there, but given their strategic resources (aka a base) in Qater and Diego Garcia and the Iraqi people's disdain for the Americans, that wasn't going to happen.

So, then I ask, what does Obama's tenure have to do with today's instability in Iraq? Obama could have delayed the troop withdrawal realizing that Iraq wasn't ready for American troop withdrawal. That I will pin on him. The security forces in Iraq are still incompetent, corrupt and are sectarian in nature. AT some point, the US had to leave it to them. But in 2011, Obama was damned either way -- there was no appetite for a continued war, the Iraqi people wanted the US out -- and even the military commanders were divided on an approach.

If you were going to put the mirrors on, maybe Iraq and the middle east would have been more stable with Saddam still in power, a nation united by fear, an enemy of Iran, contained via sanctions.

Quote: boymimbo

Statistics, please, showing the number of American jobs created by Bain Capital. The best estimate is "probably", but clearly, Bain was an investment company and part of its prime activity (see Marion, Indiana) was to buy companies on the cheap, restructure them, and sell them for a profit, often involving outsourcing. And Romney ran that company. It was Beethoven who asked what job creation, Bain, and Romney had to do with each other.

An entire list is not possible, but here are a few Bain funded early or saved:

Staples--90,000 jobs
The Sports Authority--7,000 jobs
Totes-Isotoner--1,000 jobs
Dominoes Pizza--6,300 jobs
Steel Dynamics--6,300 jobs

But as you correctly state, Bain was not founded to "create jobs" but rather to "create wealth." Romney did well here and Obama has not created any real wealth in his lifetime other than book sales. Yes, Bain probably off-shored some jobs and outsourced others. This is how business is done, you concentrate on what is your core competency and outsoruce other things. Paychex is a more famous company based on outsourcing. Payroll done by a payroll company just makes more sense for small to medium sized outfits insead of hiring your own department.

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Nonsense, you know it. The Iraq War in 2003 was optional, prompted by false intelligence and a desire to sustain American imperialism. There was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq and no WMD. But you could look at it this way: Bush was responsible in November 2008 for the Iraq-US SOFA agreement that withdrew all troops by 12/31/2011, which the stable Iraqi government and the American people strongly supported. At that time, Bush could have negotiated for a base there, but given their strategic resources (aka a base) in Qater and Diego Garcia and the Iraqi people's disdain for the Americans, that wasn't going to happen.

No, sir. The Iraq war started with the Iraqi invazsion of Kuwait (which I have seen liberals try to blame on Bush41) after which the USA led a coalition to eject Iraq from Kuwait. The peace treaty on this had several conditions, a few of which were no attempts to get WMD, which Saddam absoultuely had a history of desiring and using, plus two no-fly zones to protect ethnic minorities in northern and southern Iraq. The USA enforced this, maintaining a military stance against Iraq continuously 1991-2003.

By 1998, Sadddam started refusing WMD inspetors the right to inspect and thus violated his treaty. He off and on fired on US Fighter planes enforcing no-fly zones.

This hardly sounds like "peace" to me. The war was not optional, though the timing was. And that is a smart thing, a smart general fights at a time and place of his own choosing. Had we slowly pulled out, which was going to happen as the Saudis asked us to leave, he would easily have attacked a neighbor unprovoked as he did on 4 previous times (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Israel) and if we were gone to build up might take a year or more, and we might have been involved elsewhere when he did it.

Bush could not have negotiated for a base in Iraq, after the 2006 Democrat takeover of Congress it was made clear a base would not have been approved.

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So, then I ask, what does Obama's tenure have to do with today's instability in Iraq? Obama .

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Simple, Obama has had a policy of exit, not exit with victory or stability. Just exit. We will soon exit via helicopter, just as in Saigon, humiliated in front of the world.

Quote: rxwine

Haven't you said before that area of the world should remain unstable? You should be thanking Obama if you think he is responsible.

No, I have stated we want a Mexican Standoff among nations with none able to get hegemony in the area. An Iraq in civil war does not fit that profile.

Time will tell, but I think the Iraqi's squandered their resources available through the U.S, and nation building support far too long. Then the ones with power chose to govern without sharing power.