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Quote: kenarman

This is where our society is at today and colour has nothing to do with it. Everyone feels entitled and no one is supposed to be successfull. You have more money than me give me some via the government so I can live like you. You are an entrepeneur and own a business support me whether I earn it or not. If you can't be a success then better knock down the people that are.

"Don't let anyone tell you businesses create jobs."

"If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

The problem is we have too much of society that laps up the idea that success is just by chance. Or worse yet they think the successful were "given" what they have.

Quote: RonC

it is hard to discuss the issues and realize that SOMETHING has changed to make it seem okay to more people to step up the violence beyond what might have happened in years past. .

Movies and TV are large part of it. The
60's saw the dawn of uber violence in
the movies and it's never slowed down.
After awhile, kids think that's the real
world and it's supposed to be how they
act out when they feel wronged. They
see cop movies where the police are
in constant gun battles, when in real
life most cops go their entire career
without ever drawing their weapon,
let alone firing it.

When I was a kid in the 50's
and early 60's, we had no access to
the kind of senseless violence we see
everywhere now. There is a huge
connection between Hollywood, TV,
and how we now live.

Quote: Evenbob

There is a huge
connection between Hollywood, TV,
and how we now live.

circa 1969 Betty Davis answers why Hollywood poisons the minds of good citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rQyjgZTnths#t=270


I was listening to this clip the other day, and was reminded by the topic.

Quote: terapined

What happened in Norway was tragic.
My reaction to what happened today in that school was maybe a little over the top :-)
It just saddens me to see children killed.

Honest question.
What's the solution to preventing these types of tragedies.
Armed guards at the schools?
Armed teachers?
No school, everybody home schooled?

These type of tragedies will continue. Can they be prevented?
I believe Norway was an aberration. Once in a lifetime tragedy for that country. In this country its school shooting after school shooting. Its never ending here, over and over.

It's cultural more than anything. Certainly the widespread availability of guns doesn't help, and simply by the law of averages, you're going to have a cross-section of the population who shouldn't own a gun or are too stupid to own a gun. A lack of checks doesn't help either.

Guns seem to be cool in the USA, like smoking was 50 years ago. Gun tragedies won't be prevented until it becomes uncool to own a gun, the NRA's grasp on American society cools, and the level of paranoia driven by 24 hour news coverage of your flavour of cool-aid doesn't help.

That paranoia will take a good-solid 4-5 white male presidents and relative peace and prosperity to pass.

Na, it'll never happen.

It's interesting how gun right supporters who don't seem to care about innocent people dying for gun violence seems to defend Rand Paul's rather irresponsible and inaccurate statements about Ebola. 4 Americans catch Ebola in the last 2 months -- let's ban aircraft from landing and inspect all passengers, but heaven forbid that we protect guns from people who shouldn't own them and from children from getting access to them.

Quote: boymimbo

Guns seem to be cool in the USA, like smoking was 50 years ago.

Pro and anti have been at it a long time. Even earlier as there were some colonial gun laws as well.


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Quote: boymimbo

It's interesting how gun right supporters who don't seem to care about innocent people dying for gun violence

No one here has said that! It is nice when people who support anti-gun laws think that they will stop gun violence by banning lots of guns. They won't discuss any other root causes of gun violence than "guns"...

Quote: boymimbo

seems to defend Rand Paul's rather irresponsible and inaccurate statements about Ebola. 4 Americans catch Ebola in the last 2 months -- let's ban aircraft from landing and inspect all passengers,

Yep. It is just Rand Paul wanting a ban...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/democrats-defy-obama-in-favor-of-ebola-travel-ban/381712/

You can't have it both ways. You can't need an Ebola Czar without having people concerned enough to consider taking measures other countries have already taken successfully to stop the spread of Ebola.

I still think the whole thing is overblown but Rand Paul didn't make President Obama appoint an Ebola Czar...so there is some deep concern on both sides

Quote: boymimbo

but heaven forbid that we protect guns from people who shouldn't own them and from children from getting access to them.

Most gun owners favor reasonable restrictions on ownership--keeping the mentally ill, convicted felons, and others from owning guns. Some laws written to prevent those things are written to expand the reach much further than that and are opposed for the expansion possibilities, not for the basic idea of the laws. I have never heard anyone say that we should store guns safely.

Neither of those things would stop all gun violence even if perfectly enacted. There have been guns easily accessible in many families for generations...whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, changes in our society have bred more gun violence...those same changes make it more important for me to defend my right to own guns.

Anti-gun nuts would take all the legal guns away and just leave the illegal ones...does that make any sense?

Why would the US give up control of the internet?

http://youtu.be/_k7fhNgup_A

As far as kids and guns, does the NRA advise owners to know if their gun has been disturbed? By disturbed I mean, moved and returned to the same place.

I remember reading a study excerpt about how kids in the house find just about everything. Kids are nosy and curious and don't strictly obey rules. And just like a lot of older people figure, if no one sees something they did, then it's as good as they never did it. Kids figured out the same thing.

Anyway, in some cases, kids had already, touched, played, or picked up a gun even before a shooting or accidental shooting occurred on a later date, or knew where the gun was kept or hidden even though they were never shown.

Quote: boymimbo

It's cultural more than anything. Certainly the widespread availability of guns doesn't help, and simply by the law of averages, you're going to have a cross-section of the population who shouldn't own a gun or are too stupid to own a gun. A lack of checks doesn't help either.

What "lack of checks" exactly are you talking about?

Quote:

Guns seem to be cool in the USA, like smoking was 50 years ago. Gun tragedies won't be prevented until it becomes uncool to own a gun, the NRA's grasp on American society cools, and the level of paranoia driven by 24 hour news coverage of your flavour of cool-aid doesn't help.

What "grasp on American society" is it you are talking about? The NRA has about 4.5 million members, just 1.5% of the population. And the NRA is about lawful ownership.

If you think guns are not "cool" then do not own one. The average gun owner is a law-abiding person who just wants to live his life without gunphobes making it had on him or her.