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May 31st, 2019 at 3:07:39 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Fleastiff
The critical point is that some want to elevate a zygote to a person and some even want that 'person' to have a separate existence that acts as a yoke on the mother.

What sort of 'life' are we talking about when a woman does not want to cope with a pregnancy and its aftermath?


A zygote is a developing human being. You and I were both zygote. Taking religion out of the picture science elevates a zygote to a person with unique and repeatable DNA from the mother. A yoke is a terrible thing to call another human being who is completely innocent and full of potential.
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May 31st, 2019 at 3:11:22 PM permalink
FrGamble
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The same scare tactics were used to argue during Roe v. Wade. I guess when there are no real arguements you go back to the classics.

That being said I do think we need to do lots of education about the reality of sex and human development. It is my hope that thia national discussion about the facts of science and consequences of sex might serve that purpose.

Does anyone think the argument to keep slavery because the south isn't ready to treat black people as human beings is a worthwhile argument?
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May 31st, 2019 at 4:21:25 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: FrGamble
Does anyone think the argument to keep slavery because the south isn't ready to treat black people as human beings is a worthwhile argument?
I would think many do but it would never be politically correct to for them to say so.

' . . . full of potential'
Precisely potential.
May 31st, 2019 at 4:58:54 PM permalink
Wizard
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Just another benefit of legalized brothels.


You're absolutely right.
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May 31st, 2019 at 8:34:03 PM permalink
reno
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Here's something to consider:

Less than 2% of the population has B negative blood. Suppose there's a car accident victim in intensive care who needs a blood transfusion, and without the transfusion, they will die. But because B negative blood is so rare, the Red Cross and all the surrounding hospitals in the area are out of this blood type.

Should it be legal for the government to force a citizen to donate blood without their consent, even if without this donation someone will die? Should it be legal for the government to force a citizen to donate bone marrow without their consent, even if without this donation someone will die? Under current law, the government can not force you to donate blood, or bone marrow, or a kidney against your consent, even if someone else's life is at stake. In fact, it's illegal to harvest organs from the deceased without getting their consent before death.

So there's a double standard, that blood donors get to choose whether to save someone else's life, while some states are passing laws that prevent pregnant women (especially rape victims) from making that same choice.
May 31st, 2019 at 8:59:53 PM permalink
FrGamble
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There is a big difference in not doing something that leads to someone's death and actively doing something to kill that person. You can't coerce someone into giving blood but you can mandate that you shouldn't inject the innocent person with poison.
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May 31st, 2019 at 10:02:34 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: FrGamble
There is a big difference in not doing something that leads to someone's death and actively doing something to kill that person. You can't coerce someone into giving blood but you can mandate that you shouldn't inject the innocent person with poison.


How can reestablishing your own blood supply to just yourself be murder? In the early cases, there is no need to do anything else.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
June 1st, 2019 at 4:56:25 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Not quite sure I follow you rxwine. Not giving blood is not murder. Doing something to intentionally cause the death of an innocent life is murder.
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June 1st, 2019 at 6:04:37 AM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: FrGamble
Not quite sure I follow you rxwine. Not giving blood is not murder. Doing something to intentionally cause the death of an innocent life is murder.


Question for the forum -- You come upon 20 people tied to railroad tracks with an incoming train seconds away. You don't have time to untie them. However, you can flip a switch to make the train turn onto a different set of tracks, which have 10 people tied to them. You don't have time to untie them either. Do you flip the switch?
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June 1st, 2019 at 6:29:09 AM permalink
pew
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Quote: Wizard
Question for the forum -- You come upon 20 people tied to railroad tracks with an incoming train seconds away. You don't have time to untie them. However, you can flip a switch to make the train turn onto a different set of tracks, which have 10 people tied to them. You don't have time to untie them either. Do you flip the switch?
It depends on who they are.
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