Original Sin?

Quote: Dalex64

please review

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
and
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/arguing-from-ignorance/
again.

The Church doesn't have a leg to stand
on, it never has. It's because of false
logic that it continues to exist today.

"Arguments from ignorance infer that a proposition is true from the fact that it is not known to be false. Not all arguments of this form are fallacious; if it is known that if the proposition were not true then it would have been disproven, then a valid argument from ignorance may be constructed. In other cases, though, arguments from ignorance are fallacious.
Example

(1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God.
Therefore:
(2) God exists.

This argument is fallacious because the non-existence of God is perfectly consistent with no one having been able to prove God’s non-existence."

O my good Lord Jesus!

First of all, as I have said numerous time there is evidence and I have heard NOTHING to discount said evidence.

The argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy if you say as Evenbob does that (1) You can't disprove God's existence therefore (2) God exists. That is crazy. What you are describing is actually the Atheist argument. (1) You can't prove God exists therefore (2) God does not exist. The stuff Dalex provides needs to be looked at by atheist who have no evidence NOT by theists who have all the evidence in this case. Atheists presume from ignorance that God does not exist. Thank you for providing the links I hope the atheists on this board will look at them and notice the fallacy of their argument.

Quote: FrGamble

First of all, as I have said numerous time there is evidence

And you have yet to show ANY real
evidence at all. Your wishful thinking
doesn't count. What you call evidence
is not evidence to anybody in the real
world. It just shows how desperate
you are to be right.

Quote: FrGamble

(1) You can't prove God exists therefore (2) God does not exist.

The atheist argument is "There is NO evidence which even remotely supports the existence of any type of deity, or any type of being, force or influence not explained by observations and theories about the natural world; therefore there is no reason at all to suppose any deity can exist, much less that one specific deity and no other does exist."

If you're going to make straw-man arguments, label them as such.

Now, what is your evidence that conclusively proves the one true God Tlaloc is not real?

For the umpteenth time I will attempt to give you evidence for the existence of God. There is the fact there is something rather than nothing, the modern cosmological evidence pointing to the beginning of our universe, the impossibility for an actual infinite regress, the historical record concerning the person of Jesus of Nazareth, His undeniable impact on human history, the uniqueness of human beings, the witness of Christians who have experienced a real and life changing relationship with Jesus Christ, miracles, the longing for meaning and purpose in the heart of mankind, universal notions of right and wrong, the fine tuning of the universe and I think I will stop there. I don't think you can deny all these things amount to no evidence. You might be unconvinced and attempt to explain away certain things but the shear amount of evidence should give you or any thinking person pause before they take the position that there is definitely no God. I still await any evidence that there is no God.

Quote: FrGamble

For the umpteenth time I will attempt to give you evidence .

For the umpteenth time I will tell you
that none of that is evidence of a god.
Most of it is urban legend with a lot
of heart wrenching hyperbole thrown
in for good measure. The fact that it's
evidence to you smacks of either self
delusion or desperation. Or good old
fashioned Church brain washing.

As far as evidence of no god, we just
went thru that a few posts ago. Please
go and re-read them.

Quote: FrGamble

I still await any evidence that there is no God.

I still await evidence there is no other killer of OJs Simpson's wife?

Imagine being able to use that all the time in the courtroom? Sure would throw a major wrench in the justice system.

Quote: FrGamble

For the umpteenth time I will attempt to give you evidence for the existence of God.

I'll give you a tip should you ever decide to run for office: don't break a promise in the same breath you're making it.

I'm still waiting for evidence that, if a god started the universe, it is the god that supposedly appeared to moses, and that god is the father of jesus, and that god is the god that catholics worship now, Evidence that none of the other gods people believe or believed in are real, and evdence that doesn't support multiple possible explainations, which can be attributed solely to god.

This one is new to me - http://godisimaginary.com/index.htm
50 simple proofs that god isn't real, some of which appear to be at least as rational and logically valid as the reasons that god exists.

Bob, I think you particularly will like that page. I think it resonates with the things you have been saying.

More scholarly-sounding and philosophical arguments for and against are on this wikipedia page
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

I'm trying to come up with a very short summary -
None of the evidence can be proven to be attributed to and only to the same singular supernatural cause, ie god.
Part two - like I said before, the evidence is dwindling as it is proven to be attributed to some other, natural cause.