Original Sin?

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Everyone rejects being controlled by superstition and myth.

Most religious people don't. They thrive on
it. Christianity is solid superstition and myth.
Look at the saints again. Pure superstition
that you would think appointing a dead man
to a lofty position would have any impact
on the man after he's be dead for years.
And then have the hubris to think he's worrying
about you all just because you voted him
into a position of power.

Don't you see the fatal flaw in this plan? There
is zero evidence that this is anything more than
wild wishful thinking. If this isn't controlling people
with superstition, then what is.

'Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events'

This describes exactly the process of sainthood.

First of all why do you think sainthood is controlling people?

Secondly, there is more evidence and information about the intercession of the saints than just about anything else in our religion. Countless miracles, healings, unexplainable phenomenon, etc.

Thirdly, you still haven't explained this so called "science test".

Quote: FrGamble

First of all why do you think sainthood is controlling people?

Making someone a saint gives the Church
yet another layer between their god and
the parishioners. Another layer of superstition
to keep them coming back.

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Countless miracles, healings, unexplainable phenomenon, etc.

"Miracles – divine acts which alter/suspend the laws of nature"

It takes two people to make a miracle. One
to think he saw one, and another gullible
enough to believe him. The paranormal
and superstition at it's finest. And when it's
endorsed by your local church, and even
encouraged, you're off to the races.

Quote: Evenbob

Making someone a saint gives the Church
yet another layer between their god and
the parishioners.

Then you do not understand the Catholic Church's teaching about saints.

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It takes two people to make a miracle. One
to think he saw one, and another gullible
enough to believe him.

It is naïve and gullible to even say this much less believe it. What hubris you have to be calling millions and millions of people gullible. Maybe you should go to Mexico and visit Nareed and while you are at you can both visit the image of Our Lady of Gauadalupe. An image on a simple cactus fiber tilma that usually lasts at best 20 years before deteriorating and is now miraculously 500 years old.

Quote: FrGamble

Then you do not understand the Catholic Church's teaching about saints.

You mean the teaching is different from the
obvious truth? Imagine that.

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It is naïve and gullible to even say this much less believe it.

It's the truth, though. A myth or urban legend,
or miracle, starts with one person thinking it up,
or making the wrong assumption, and somebody
gullible to believe it. A miracle violates the laws
of nature, so on it's face it's a falsehood, unless
proven true. Which they never are.

Quote: Evenbob

You mean the teaching is different from the
obvious truth? Imagine that.

Only if that obvious truth is the disgusting perversion of truth you want it to be.

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It's the truth, though. A myth or urban legend,
or miracle, starts with one person thinking it up,
or making the wrong assumption, and somebody
gullible to believe it. A miracle violates the laws
of nature, so on it's face it's a falsehood, unless
proven true. Which they never are.

Again go visit Guadalupe.

Quote: FrGamble

Again go visit Guadalupe.

Maybe I should go and visit the
rust stain on that building that
looks just like Mary. All the
Catholics are calling it a miracle.
Or when she was spotted on a
grilled cheese sandwich, that was
a tasty miracle.

No, neither of those you mentioned sounds like a miracle and you know better than to say all the Catholics are calling it a miracle when they most assuredly are not! Guadalupe is a miracle and if you want to pronounce on such things before you visit a made up rust stain go to a real honest to God miracle first.

Quote: FrGamble

Guadalupe is a miracle .

So science investigated this and proclaimed
that it indeed is real and outside the laws
of nature? Why do I seriously doubt that.

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We're getting there. And perhaps getting there is half the fun.