Is Obamacare a slur?

Quote: AZDuffman

Like, did you think it was going to control costs or something?

Sure, why not?

Look how it controlled the costs of food, housing, energy and tuition.

Despite nearly $1 trillion in annual federal subsidies, in most states, the cost of workers premiums and deductibles are more than 10% of median income.

Quote: Tanko

Sure, why not?

Look how it controlled the costs of food, housing, energy and tuition.

Despite nearly $1 trillion in annual federal subsidies, in most states, the cost of workers premiums and deductibles are more than 10% of median income.

You guys always end up making an amazing case for Medicare for all.

Quote: ams288

... Medicare for all.

that may come but it will actually be VA healthcare for all

Quote: odiousgambit

that may come but it will actually be VA healthcare for all

I would take VA healthcare for all, that would be a great system.

Quote: Gandler

I would take VA healthcare for all, that would be a great system.

Ready to pay 20% of your income to fund it? Ready for long waits for basic care?

Quote: AZDuffman

Ready to pay 20% of your income to fund it? Ready for long waits for basic care?

We shouldn't worry. Donny has the concepts for a plan to save us!

Quote: AZDuffman

Ready to pay 20% of your income to fund it? Ready for long waits for basic care?

VA has faster rates of care than the private sector and has a higher level of customer satisfaction reviews.

As for 20%, you pulled that number from nowhere. But, if I could get unlimited healthcare, with zero costs and no deductibles for 20%, yes I would take that. Between Medicare contributions, Employer Health Insurance plan contributions, and the cash up front costs of copays, deductibles, and medications, I already pay close to 15% on health insurance (some years probably close to 20%.) So 20% for a flat unlimited rate with no worries about costs I would not be hesitant.

Most Americans pay about 10% of their paycheck on health insurance (this is just for the premiums for employer healthcare, this is not counting what you pay for actual treatments, or Medicare contributions. So just adding Medicare, bumps it to 11.5%) When you get into people who pay regularly for complex treatments, and high level medications, 20% of total medical costs would be a welcome relief. And, this is people who have insurance through an employer (subsidized,) if you don't have an employer plan and are paying cash for your own plan, you are easily paying well over 20% (especially if you have complications and many dependents.) If you have a high level plan with many dependents on your plan, you can easily be paying over 3k a month (just in premiums,) so basically 40k a year just in premiums, this is well over 20% for just about everyone (and again this does not even get into deductibles, copays, medications, etc....)

I do not accept that it will be 20%, but even if it is, it will be a great deal.



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It is a right-wing meme that VA healthcare is bad, most people are thrilled with it. And, going even further, even if it was terrible (it is not,) having bad healthcare is better than no healthcare for somebody who has no options. VA healthcare would be an improvement for over 90% of the country.

If you are rich, and can afford exclusive hospitals, sure they are better, but for virtually every American, VA will be an improvement.

So yes, flat 20% for an all inclusive healthcare system (do not even have to pay for parking,) would be an amazing deal.

Quote: Gandler

VA has faster rates of care than the private sector and has a higher level of customer satisfaction reviews.

As for 20%, you pulled that number from nowhere. But, if I could get unlimited healthcare, with zero costs and no deductibles for 20%, yes I would take that. Between Medicare contributions, Employer Health Insurance plan contributions, and the cash up front costs of copays, deductibles, and medications, I already pay close to 15% on health insurance (some years probably close to 20%.) So 20% for a flat unlimited rate with no worries about costs I would not be hesitant.

No, I didn't. That is about the percent of GDP that healthcare takes. Now, see, here it the thing. Like most left wingers you think that if only government took over you could go in and get all the healthcare you want at no cost like you are going to Sizzler. That will not be the case. You will have long waits and little choice. We can see this by looking at Canada where your dog can get an MRI faster than you can.

I find it hard to believe VA care has high satisfaction rates. I would say people think it is good for what it is.

Quote: AZDuffman

No, I didn't. That is about the percent of GDP that healthcare takes. Now, see, here it the thing. Like most left wingers you think that if only government took over you could go in and get all the healthcare you want at no cost like you are going to Sizzler. That will not be the case. You will have long waits and little choice. We can see this by looking at Canada where your dog can get an MRI faster than you can.

I find it hard to believe VA care has high satisfaction rates. I would say people think it is good for what it is.

Percent of GDP does not equal percent the average American will be paying. I would guess more in the 12-15% range. However, even at 20%, it is still a good deal. And, the GDP will go down with a universal system, because the large portion of the medical industry that does nothing but bill and debate with insurance companies will disappear, and the prices of virtually everything will decrease because a single power will set all of the prices (as happens with every country that adopts universal healthcare.)

I do not buy the longer wait times. VA has shorter wait times than private. For primary care (routine doctor visits) our wait times are actually drastically longer than many countries with universal coverage (yes even the UK and Canada.) Yes for specialists, our wait times are shorter than some Though Canada is not always the best comparison because it is not really a national healthcare system, every providence (their version of States,) basically manages it locally, so there is not as much consistency as a truly national system.

Also, for the record, wait times are getting worse in the U.S. year over year, so the trend is not positive if you are going to insist that we are improving (we are not.) I do not know if you looked at satisfaction rates for private healthcare, but they are far from positive (and not getting better.) The idea that private healthcare provides some god-tier level service (or results,) is just not accurate. We are paying a lot of money, for not a lot of stuff, (and still have to pay more every time we use our membership so to speak.) The whole system is absurd. Take my 20% and give me VA equivalent care anywhere in the U.S. with no questions asked.