ICE- Authoritarian or community based?

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Reasonable Distance Restrictions: Officers may impose "reasonable time, place, and manner" restrictions for public safety. However, a one-mile distance far exceeds typical "safe distance" recommendations, which community groups often define as approximately 8 to 10 feet.

Quote: SOOPOO

I am NOT saying that what ICE did was necessary. Or moral. Or legal. Looks to me like it was not appropriate to kill him.



That doesn’t mean he wasn’t EFFING STUPID. You don’t need a PhD to know now not to interfere with ICE doing their jobs. You may get your relatives wealthy…. but was it worth it? There are neighborhoods in Buffalo I have every legal right to stroll through. I’m still not idiotic enough to do so.

Question…. If you have an ‘open carry’ license, have the loaded gun in your hand, but are not directly pointing at someone, what are the rights/responsibilities of law enforcement? What if there were two dozen such protesters?

This one seems undefendable with the present evidence available.

Quote: Gandler

Explain how he interfered with ICE? He was standing across the street filming them, they came over to him.

He didn't have a gun in his hand or even on him, he was disarmed before ICE had him on the ground.

Both of these are diversions you are making to avoid the slightest bit of criticism of ICE.

Quote: missedhervee

Exactly.

Soopoo is trying to defend the indefensible, just like good closeted member of MAGA would do.

Does Minnesota have a death penalty?

If so I'd pay for a front row seat to watch the ICE shooter get executed after getting the due process he denied to Pretti.

Worthless piece of shit, just like his lord and master, the fat oaf.

Quote: missedhervee

Exactly.

Soopoo is trying to defend the indefensible, just like good closeted member of MAGA would do.

Does Minnesota have a death penalty?

If so I'd pay for a front row seat to watch the ICE shooter get executed after getting the due process he denied to Pretti.

Worthless piece of shit, just like his lord and master, the fat oaf.

Quote: SOOPOO

Both are you are in need of reading comprehension assistance. You say I defended ICE? Not moral. Not legal. Not appropriate. This is defending ICE? I do defend the concept of actually enforcing our immigration laws. But certainly not this particular heinous incident. Or the shooter, barring some information that is not publicly available as of yet.

I have worked with ICU nurses my entire career. Befriended them. Dated one. So I have an emotional tie to the poor dead guy. That doesn’t change my opinion about what I’d do. If I see ICE in an operation, I get away as far as possible. It’s just common sense.

Quote: Gandler

Nothing says effective protest like protesting as far away as possible.

Filming from across the street, is in no way impeding.

This was an intentional murder (maybe even execution when more details come out,) ICE wanted him dead. Luckily there were multiple people filming.

Quote: terapined1

This all started when ICE pushed a woman down
That was illegal
You don't use physical force to try to hurt somebody
That's against the law
You either arrest the person or you don't touch the person
That's the bottom line. Every cop knows that
Alex Pretti simply helped the woman back up
This infuriated ICE because they are all about using illegal physical force to punish rather then legally arresting somebody

If ICE simply arrested the woman instead of using illegal physical force to punish her
No way Alex interferes with a legal arrest

Quote: Gandler

ICE and BP are being used to punish, this is not a one off or a bad incident. This is the design of the whole operation, to punish and intimidate opposition.