ICE- Authoritarian or community based?

Anyone planning to attend a protest where there is a high potential for physical confrontation with the police, should leave their Sig Sauer model P320 AXG Combat semi-automatic 9mm and 41 rounds of ammunition in their gun locker.

DHS was there for the targeted arrest of Jose Huerta Chuma, an illegal alien with a record of domestic abuse, attempt to commit bodily harm, disorderly conduct and DUI.

Pretti and his friends were there to stop them.

He brought along an extra magazine. That wasn't for self protection. He was ready for combat. He even left his ID at home. As he was leaving for the protest, his father warned him "Don't do anything stupid".

It appears he was disarmed, but shot by mistake after someone shouted "Gun".

If he didn't violently resist when officers tried to disarm him, he would be alive today.

Quote: Tanko

Anyone planning to attend a protest where there is a high potential for physical confrontation with the police, should leave their Sig Sauer model P320 AXG Combat semi-automatic 9mm and 41 rounds of ammunition in their gun locker.

DHS was there for the targeted arrest of Jose Huerta Chuma, an illegal alien with a record of domestic abuse, attempt to commit bodily harm, disorderly conduct and DUI.

Pretti and his friends were there to stop them.

He brought along an extra magazine. That wasn't for self protection. He was ready for combat. He even left his ID at home. As he was leaving for the protest, his father warned him "Don't do anything stupid".

It appears he was disarmed, but shot by mistake after someone shouted "Gun".

If he didn't violently resist when officers tried to disarm him, he would be alive today.

Everyone who has a legal firearm has a legal right to carry at the protest. Almost everyone who carries, carries at least one spare mag, acting like this is some malicious act is absurd.

However, it is all moot. He was disarmed (by LE,) well before he was shot. An, agent reached into his holster and pulled his gun away (he never reached for his gun.)

He didn't violently resist, he was on the ground with hands visible.

Nobody is required to carry ID on foot.
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I don't know if you are a moron or demonic, but this is the most absurd post I have read on this subject. You are either victim blaming or you never watched a single of the videos.

Quote: Gandler

Everyone who has a legal firearm has a legal right to carry at the protest. Almost everyone who carries, carries at least one spare mag, acting like this is some malicious act is absurd.

He didn't violently resist, he was on the ground with hands visible.

Nobody is required to carry ID on foot.

Anyone carrying a firearm must have their carry permit, and ID with them in Minnesota.

If he wasn't violently resisting, it wouldn't have taken six officers trying to subdue him.

I was licensed to carry anywhere in the state of NY and interstate on occasion for more than three decades. I never carried an extra magazine. I've known dozens of others who were licensed to carry and not one of them carried an extra magazine.

Quote: Tanko

Anyone carrying a firearm must have their carry permit, and ID with them in Minnesota.

If he wasn't violently resisting, it wouldn't have taken six officers trying to subdue him.

I was licensed to carry anywhere in the state of NY and intrastate on occasion for more than three decades. I never carried an extra magazine. I've known dozens of others who were licensed to carry and not one of them carried an extra magazine.

Having a permit, but physically not having it on you is a minor misdemeanor, like a 50 dollar fine in. MN. And, it does not effect your firearm permit, it's just a fine. So even if this is true, who cares.

However, he was disarmed when shot, he was disarmed before they physically subdued him. So even if it was an illegal gun, he was illegally carrying, and just committed a crime (not of that is true,) is irrelevant. He had no weapon when he was shot.

He was not resisting at all, he was on the ground in seconds when the agents rushed him. You either did not watch the video or are lying.

Quote: Tanko

If he wasn't violently resisting, it wouldn't have taken six officers trying to subdue him..

You were never a kid apparently.

Easy to make someone resist on the ground. Grind your knee into them and a few other things.

Quote: Tanko

If he wasn't violently resisting, it wouldn't have taken six officers trying to subdue him.
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He wasn't violently resisting

Why did they try to subdue him??????????????
I put myself in the same exact situation
I see somebody videotaping me
I shrug and move on
Why didn't they just shrug and move on
What did he do exactly to cause ICE to try to subdue him
WHAT DID HE DO TO GET THE ATTENTION OF ICE
A gazillion people are filming ICE
That's the 1st reaction anybody that sees ICE. Videotaping
That's why we have so many angles of this execution
Everybody videos everything
That's how society has evolved
Even the Supreme Court is OK with videoing
Seems evenbody is OK with legally videoing except ICE
Bottom line
They are breaking the law and videos is evidence for future prosecution

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/25/minneapolis-shooting-government-shutdown.html

Looks likely there will be another shutdown at the end of the month if Republicans don't remove ICE funding from the bill. Basically all Dems will vote against it, and it's looking like even a couple GOPers will.

This will be good, if this can be used to limit ICE and border Patrol funding.

I hate government shutdowns, but at this point I would be fine with a shutdown for the rest of year if it helps the midterms and limits the gestapo forces. Republicans can do ICE funding in a separate bill, but I predict they will be stubborn again.

I am NOT saying that what ICE did was necessary. Or moral. Or legal. Looks to me like it was not appropriate to kill him.



That doesn’t mean he wasn’t EFFING STUPID. You don’t need a PhD to know now not to interfere with ICE doing their jobs. You may get your relatives wealthy…. but was it worth it? There are neighborhoods in Buffalo I have every legal right to stroll through. I’m still not idiotic enough to do so.

Question…. If you have an ‘open carry’ license, have the loaded gun in your hand, but are not directly pointing at someone, what are the rights/responsibilities of law enforcement? What if there were two dozen such protesters?

This one seems undefendable with the present evidence available.

Quote:

Patel was echoing Noem, who said Saturday, "I don't know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign."

The Gun Owners Caucus of Minnesota was quick to dispute Patel's statements, posting on X that Patel was "completely incorrect on Minnesota law. There is no prohibition on a permit holder carrying a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines at a protest or rally in Minnesota."

The group's president, Rob Doar, told Axios that Noem's understanding of Minnesota gun law was "fundamentally wrong," and he took issue with her statements about Pretti not having his ID while he carried his concealed weapon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-rights-group-says-noem-is-fundamentally-wrong-on-minnesota-law/ar-AA1UWV6A?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=697679e045e2492f8804e6b38f3351ac&ei=16

Quote: SOOPOO

I am NOT saying that what ICE did was necessary. Or moral. Or legal. Looks to me like it was not appropriate to kill him.



That doesn’t mean he wasn’t EFFING STUPID. You don’t need a PhD to know now not to interfere with ICE doing their jobs. You may get your relatives wealthy…. but was it worth it? There are neighborhoods in Buffalo I have every legal right to stroll through. I’m still not idiotic enough to do so.

Question…. If you have an ‘open carry’ license, have the loaded gun in your hand, but are not directly pointing at someone, what are the rights/responsibilities of law enforcement? What if there were two dozen such protesters?

This one seems undefendable with the present evidence available.

Explain how he interfered with ICE? He was standing across the street filming them, they came over to him.

He didn't have a gun in his hand or even on him, he was disarmed before ICE had him on the ground.

Both of these are diversions you are making to avoid the slightest bit of criticism of ICE.