Israeli conflict

Quote: Evenbob

Hillary Clinton hates black people with a fiery passion and wishes she could publicly join the KKK. Barack Obama also hates black people but he makes it obvious at least. His wife sure does. And Joe Biden was the most phony baloney racist that has ever been in office.

This is believable in that Hillary and other Democrats keep saying black people are not intelligent enough to do things on their own. From getting a drivers license to getting into college, they say blacks cannot do it on their own.

Quote: AZDuffman

You are looking at it incredibly narrow. By your standard we do not count the Holocaust because none are "war casualties." You ignore dictators who exported food even as the population starved. You ignore the worst of the worst to make it fit your narrative.

I am looking at it through your lense. You said it was not even one of the worst wars in world history. I showed it is either the worst or second worst of civil war in human history based on casualty figures.

Holocaust is not a War (I am fine with the casualty figures being lumped into WWII though when looking at the war as a whole, in which case WWII is the most damaging war in Human History.) But, yes comparing Holocaust deaths is fine when comparing genocides and human crimes to similar events. In fact I would argue for genocides, death numbers are debatabley even more relevant than wars.

Quote: Gandler

I am looking at it through your lense. You said it was not even one of the worst wars in world history. I showed it is either the worst or second worst of civil war in human history based on casualty figures.

Holocaust is not a War (I am fine with the casualty figures being lumped into WWII though when looking at the war as a whole, in which case WWII is the most damaging war in Human History.) But, yes comparing Holocaust deaths is fine when comparing genocides and human crimes to similar events. In fact I would argue for genocides, death numbers are debatabley even more relevant than wars.

No, genius, I said CSA not in top 10 for your standard of “doing the most damage.” I made a fool of you for stating that so you change the parameters.

Quote: AZDuffman

No, genius, I said CSA not in top 10 for your standard of “doing the most damage.” I made a fool of you for stating that so you change the parameters.

I didn't change the parameters, I measured the casualty figures. If this is not good enough, tell me what method you prefer?

I’ve been lucky to live in the USA from 1960 to the present. No wars on my home soil. Occasional terrorist attacks highlighted by 9/11, but no sustained attacks. I can’t wrap my head around how I’d behave if I was a regular Israeli citizen now? Cancel the son’s high school graduation party? Forgo my scheduled massage? Cancel weekend golf? No date night with wifey?

How do you drive to a ritzy restaurant past a recently bombed apartment building?

While still thinking of the living hostages still being kept in Gaza…..

Same concept for those living in Gaza, in Ukraine, in Sudan, in Iran.

The capital city of Iran had a military Victory Parade today celebrating their winning war against Israel. The story they're telling in Iran is they beat them so badly the Israelis begged for a ceasefire. Lol

Quote: SOOPOO

I’ve been lucky to live in the USA from 1960 to the present. No wars on my home soil. Occasional terrorist attacks highlighted by 9/11, but no sustained attacks. I can’t wrap my head around how I’d behave if I was a regular Israeli citizen now? Cancel the son’s high school graduation party? Forgo my scheduled massage? Cancel weekend golf? No date night with wifey?

How do you drive to a ritzy restaurant past a recently bombed apartment building?

While still thinking of the living hostages still being kept in Gaza…..

Same concept for those living in Gaza, in Ukraine, in Sudan, in Iran.

In 2001 I had a former Israeli guy working for me. One of my best employees ever. But on 9/11 he had to go home, he was on the verge of a breakdown. He told me of the regular rocket attacks he endured over there.

He was back at work the next day. Do not mess with Israelis!

Hamas has released a video of a hostage digging his own grave. His appearance is described as a ‘human skeleton’. No tears from me for the hundreds if not thousands who may lose their lives if in the search for this hostage. How many ‘innocent’ Gazans are aware of his whereabouts? How many actively work to keep him tortured and hidden? How many supported actions of their elected government, Hamas?

There can be no ‘proportionality’ in Israel’s response. Whatever increases the chance of freeing a single hostage is worth it. You can argue their tactics do not achieve that goal. But not against their right to use whatever means are needed.

Quote: SOOPOO

There can be no ‘proportionality’ in Israel’s response. Whatever increases the chance of freeing a single hostage is worth it. You can argue their tactics do not achieve that goal. But not against their right to use whatever means are needed.

Israel, has never been in a worse situation in terms of their image, their public relations

even some of their own citizens are calling their actions "genocide" as have many others around the world

I'm not in agreement with that, I'm just pointing it out

and antisemitism has ramped up to dizzying heights around the world

and France the U.K. and Canada are calling for the recognition of a Palestinian state - which of course, Israel is firmly against

it's a horrible situation with no end in sight - no compromise seems at this point likely from either side

from the link:

"Two prominent Israeli rights groups on Monday said their country is committing genocide in Gaza, the first time that local Jewish-led organizations have made such accusations against Israel during nearly 22 months of war."


https://www.npr.org/2025/07/28/nx-s1-5482881/israel-gaza-genocide-rights-groups-btselem-physicians

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Quote: PotPie

Israel, has never been in a worse situation in terms of their image, their public relations

even some of their own citizens are calling their actions "genocide" as have many others around the world

I'm not in agreement with that, I'm just pointing it out

and France the U.K. and Canada are calling for the recognition of a Palestinian state - which of course, Israel is firmly against

it's a horrible situation with no end in sight - no compromise seems at this point likely from either side

from the link:

"Two prominent Israeli rights groups on Monday said their country is committing genocide in Gaza, the first time that local Jewish-led organizations have made such accusations against Israel during nearly 22 months of war."


https://www.npr.org/2025/07/28/nx-s1-5482881/israel-gaza-genocide-rights-groups-btselem-physicians

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Only way to settle it is relocate the Palestinians to the Saini and let Israel have their rightful land in Gaza.