January 6 redux

Quote: Evenbob

Meanwhile poll after poll after poll after poll after poll shows that the American
people don't give one crap about January 6th.

What a ridiculous statement.

Just add it to the list I suppose.

I'd put this guy on "ignore" but then I'd be denying myself my daily dose of humor.

His posts are "funny," as in "Gee, this meat sure smells funny."

Quote: missedhervee

Hogwash.

That you cannot see that it is as secure shows you cannot handle this conversation.

I don’t think mail in voting is as secure as in person voting. I can easily see someone filling out a ballot for another cohabitant. Or a bully spouse intimidating such. In person voting prevents these things. We as a people have to decide if we think the ease of voting trumps the security of in person added protections. Most Democrats feel making it as easy as possible outweighs the few examples I gave. Most Republicans want the security over the ease that mail in affords. I am in AZ’s camp on this one. But I certainly understand the other side. What I CAN’T STAND is losers like Shumer implying anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a threat to our Democracy. Just another Democrat leader with the ‘agree with me or you are bad’ attitude.

As I must always end with, I am sure there were some improper votes, maybe (maybe not) more for Biden, but it is silly to think without any real evidence that the result of the election would have been different.

Luckily President Manchin and Vice President Sinema are preventing the Democrats from passing any more voting changes. The system as is worked last election. If the Democrats are unhappy about added securities some states are enacting…. vote those politicians out! It worked when they wanted to oust Trump. There are Republicans who will agree with some Democrat ideas on ‘voting rights’. Speak with them, get to a plan that 10 of the 50 can support, and go for it. It’s not like the 2 trillion BBB giveaway bill that no Republican would ever support.

Quote: missedhervee

Hogwash.

That you cannot see that it is as secure shows you cannot handle this conversation.

It took 100 years to design a secure voting system. In person voting, a booth to make sure nobody could see who you voted for, various types of eligible voter verification, scrutineers etc. These checks and balances were put in because voter fraud was rampant. Now you want to throw out all this and you think that the fraud won't return. Do a little research into how crooked voting used to be. Take a look out how voting intimidation works in the numerous none free states that wear a sham of democracy (ie Russia or China). I can't believe that you actually want to give up such a hard won freedom, in fact you are fighting to have it taken away.

You guys keep suggesting changes without proving mail-in voting fraud has changed even one election.

Here's my suggestion. Anyone who can't be bothered to provide voting fraud evidence for changing the voting process shouldn't be allowed to vote.

How do you like that?

And don't quote me wrong. I didn't say voting fraud doesn't exist.

Quote: kenarman

It took 100 years to design a secure voting system. In person voting, a booth to make sure nobody could see who you voted for, various types of eligible voter verification, scrutineers etc. These checks and balances were put in because voter fraud was rampant. Now you want to throw out all this and you think that the fraud won't return. Do a little research into how crooked voting used to be. Take a look out how voting intimidation works in the numerous none free states that wear a sham of democracy (ie Russia or China). I can't believe that you actually want to give up such a hard won freedom, in fact you are fighting to have it taken away.

You have to understand, the lamestream media and liberals pols said it is safe so they think it is safe. No independent thought needed on their part, their thinking has been done for them.

I remember reading in history class about IIRC when Kansas was settling for slavery or not places reported several times the votes of residents living there. "Vote early, vote often!" was the catchphrase.

But because they were told how to think they want voting to be just returning the Publisher's Clearinghouse entry form, because just sending out ballots first class mail has no security issues, the TV told them so.

I still wonder how much fraud would be discovered if proper investigations actually took place. It is some kind of tradition in the US for lawsuits to be filed, this is turned over to the courts, which then don't investigate, but then take a wild guess as to who's right. What a country! as the comedian said.

For some reason not clear to me, somebody talked the FBI into *actually investigating* the 1982 Illinois gubernatorial election. All kinds of people were sent to jail and the grand jury determined that there were 100,000 fraudulent votes cast.

The result of that down the line now seems to be " wow we can't do that again it makes it look bad "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Illinois_elections

Quote: odiousgambit

Ngo has a good perspective on this

Hogwash
I don't need any talking heads.
Why should I listen to this clown. Just another opinion.
I can think for myself, thank you
Don't need MSM
I got eyes and have seen all the videos on the attack of the capitol.
As the committee releases more and more evidence.
I am convinced Trump attempted a coup
I have no doubt history books will treat Jan 6 as a coup attempt to overthrow the government
Its a drip drip of information but it all points to a coup

January 6th sucked. It should not have happened.

There should be a real Congressional investigation, not the Kangaroo Court that Pelosi convened after rejecting Republican nominees to the committee, which did not follow precedent for investigative committees.

Prosecutions continue to take place and people are jailed longer than others accused of similar charged crimes (not the "insurrection", since no one is charged with that to date). I am all for the prosecutions but why are people not getting the same treatment pre-trial as others charged with the same thing?

Democrats don't want the truth as much as they want to keep this alive for political purposes. That is sad.

If the evidence gets to a coup or insurrection and they can link it to people, charge them, Until then, you have a horrid incident that should not have happened and a bunch of people going to jail for it.

How come we need evidence to say the election of 2020 was flawed but not to call something a coup or insurrection? Can you really take over a country with a huge military force with sticks, stones, fire extinguishers, words, etc.? The Constitution was never in danger.

Quote: RonC

Democrats don't want the truth as much as they want to keep this alive for political purposes.
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Its actually Republicans keeping it alive by refusing to testify.
Its absurd
I've never seen a group of people so afraid to testify
Stunning
I've seen mobsters grilled
I've seen CEO's grilled
I've seen Hillary Clinton grilled
I've seen Oliver North grilled
The list is endless, congress investigates, you show up and testify.
These are legal suponeas
What are Republicans so afraid of.
They are afraid of revealing the truth of what happened on Jan 6

Quote: terapined

Its actually Republicans keeping it alive by refusing to testify.
Its absurd
I've never seen a group of people so afraid to testify
Stunning
I've seen mobsters grilled
I've seen CEO's grilled
I've seen Hillary Clinton grilled
I've seen Oliver North grilled
The list is endless, congress investigates, you show up and testify.
These are legal suponeas
What are Republicans so afraid of.
They are afraid of revealing the truth of what happened on Jan 6

I guess you have never seen anyone exercise their legal right to fight a subpoena? Once those are either upheld or not, they need to testify or go to jail. Same as anyone else exercising that right.

Still, this is a Kangaroo Court about as legitimate as, well, any other Kangaroo Court. In case you failed to notice, Nancy Pelosi made the move to not allow the selected Republicans on the committee and instead picked her own. That makes it a witch hunt and not a real investigation. Surely you can see that from your "investigate everyone" position.

Investigate everyone using the traditional procedures.

Have the DOJ convene a Grand Jury.

I have no problem in theory with a legitimate committee making news by who they call, who testifies, who fights, and how those things end up impacting the investigation.

I have a problem with the "Uniter" and his sidekick (and Pelosi with her Hamilton crap) turning it into a political day instead of a somber day,

McConnell has also said that he supports updating the Electoral College laws so they guard against anything happening in the future. why don't the Dems join in that and fix that in a bipartisan fashion.

Keeping 1/6 alive and in the news is their only path towards retaining power in 2022, and it is a narrow one. That could change if they got some things done, but is where we are right now.