Lovely QATAR Airways

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October 28th, 2020 at 7:20:19 AM permalink
gamerfreak
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Paco, what do you do for a living?

Accounting? Actuary? Some sort of data science?

You seem to enjoy collecting and presenting statistics.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:38:29 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: Pacomartin
These list vary if you use standard exchange rates or purchasing power parity. In the case of UAE and Qatar you have many more "guest workers" than you have citizens. Luxembourg's high figure is partly due to the large number of people working in the tiny landlocked nation while living in surrounding France, Germany and Belgium.

IMF per Capita GDP (year 2020)
Luxembourg 109.6 thousand
Switzerland 81.87 thousand
Ireland 79.67 thousand
Norway 67.99 thousand
United States 63.05 thousand
Singapore 58.48 thousand
Denmark 58.44 thousand
Iceland 57.19 thousand
Qatar 52.75 thousand
Australia 51.89 thousand
Netherlands 51.29 thousand
Sweden 50.34 thousand
Austria 48.63 thousand
Finland 48.46 thousand
Germany 45.47 thousand
Hong Kong SAR 45.18 thousand
Belgium 43.81 thousand
Canada 42.08 thousand
San Marino 41.68 thousand
Israel 41.56 thousand
France 39.26 thousand
United Kingdom 39.23 thousand
Japan 39.05 thousand
Macao SAR 38.77 thousand
New Zealand 38.68 thousand
United Arab Emirates 31.95 thousand
Reference https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

Remember that "per capita" is simply an average. On average this man has decent shoes


There is very little information from Gulf Countries on formal indexes that indicate distribution of wealth
Net Income Gini Index
Wealth Gini Index
Poverty Rate (%)

In 1912, Italian sociologist and statistician Corrado Gini developed a means of measuring wealth distribution within societies known as the Gini index or Gini coefficient: its value ranges from 0 (or 0%) to 1 (or 100%), with the former representing perfect equality (wealth distributed evenly) and the latter representing perfect inequality (wealth held in few hands).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/07/07/richest-countries-in-the-world/39630693/

"Qatar is, by far, the richest country in the world, with a GNI per capita of $116,799"

This article is from 2019, and based on GNI.

Either way the point is, its rich and backwards. I was only illustrating that poverty does not equate with extremism (as many wrongly point out). There are plenty of uber rich countries with backwards social policies.

Many of the 911 suicide pilots were very successful.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:41:44 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Gandler

Either way the point is, its rich and backwards. I was only illustrating that poverty does not equate with extremism (as many wrongly point out). There are plenty of uber rich countries with backwards social policies.



How do you define backwards? Who is to say that we are not the backwards ones and that they are doing things correctly?

Just because you don't agree with it doesn'tmake it wrong.
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October 28th, 2020 at 9:21:25 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: DRich
How do you define backwards? Who is to say that we are not the backwards ones and that they are doing things correctly?

Just because you don't agree with it doesn'tmake it wrong.


By Western Values they are backwards.

I can give many examples, but did you not read the OP of what they did to every woman on the plane?

Have a totalitarian theocracy is backwards. If your society relies on trampling on the rights of others it is empirically backwards. Qatar is backwards.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:29:06 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Gandler
By Western Values they are backwards.

I can give many examples, but did you not read the OP of what they did to every woman on the plane?

Have a totalitarian theocracy is backwards. If your society relies on trampling on the rights of others it is empirically backwards. Qatar is backwards.


It is empirically backwards according to Western values, but maybe Western values are backwards. It is all a matter of opinion.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:42:45 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: DRich
It is empirically backwards according to Western values, but maybe Western values are backwards. It is all a matter of opinion.


Its not. If your system violates the rights of others, your system is wrong.

Western Values are the product of the fire of enlightment, they are the best basis we have for human rights. Secular Western Values are simply the best for overall human wellness, this can be demonstrated by life expectancy, protected rights, and free expression.

Qatar lacks free expression to take an easy example, their internet is carefully censored, not just to block anti-government posts, but also anything that goes against Islam (including gambling websites, even WOV). This is minor compared to their physcial human rights violations, but its a tangible example of backwardness (to value a religion over freedom of expression is empirically wrong for society).
October 28th, 2020 at 9:45:44 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: Gandler
Its not. If your system violates the rights of others, your system is wrong.

Western Values are the product of the fire of enlightment, they are the best basis we have for human rights. Secular Western Values are simply the best for overall human wellness, this can be demonstrated by life expectancy, protected rights, and free expression.

Qatar lacks free expression to take an easy example, their internet is carefully censored, not just to block anti-government posts, but also anything that goes against Islam (including gambling websites, even WOV). This is minor compared to their physcial human rights violations, but its a tangible example of backwardness (to value a religion over freedom of expression is empirically wrong for society).


And you think our internet isn't censored? It is just that you agree with what they censor.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
October 28th, 2020 at 9:57:03 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: kenarman
And you think our internet isn't censored? It is just that you agree with what they censor.


In USA, no, there is no censorship of any activity that is not activivley a crime (unless you count shutting down human trafficking sites and underage porn sites as censorship). We can say anything online without fear of reprisal (again say, not do, if you use the internet for an illegal purpose such as to solicit sex from a minor, that is illegal).

In your country, there is some censorship on the internet, not nearly to the extent of Qatar, but Canada and Europe have slightly less free speech than America (there are more "hate speech" restrictions etc...) Again, even Canada is a false equivalent, because the restrictions are virtually nothing compared to Qatar.

But, yes, I agree with shutting down sites that host illegal porn and are used for trafficking humans. Does that count as censorship? I guess if you want to get really semantic.....
October 28th, 2020 at 9:58:10 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: kenarman
And you think our internet isn't censored? It is just that you agree with what they censor.

The internet is not censored
Create your own web page.
That's what Matt Drudge did
Same right as speaking out on a street corner
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
October 28th, 2020 at 11:35:32 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Gandler

Qatar lacks free expression to take an easy example, their internet is carefully censored, not just to block anti-government posts, but also anything that goes against Islam (including gambling websites, even WOV). This is minor compared to their physcial human rights violations, but its a tangible example of backwardness (to value a religion over freedom of expression is empirically wrong for society).


Do humans deserve rights not afforded to other mammals? If so, why?
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
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