The Election Fraud Thread

Wearing clothes is almost the perfect example of someone claiming something for their own piece of mind, not for a real purpose. Nudist colonies usually require towels for sitting in common area. Everything else is up to you.

If it's cold, I assume even in a nudist colony they wear clothes. For a purpose,

Quote: rxwine

You only need an ID at some point. Every year or couple years, my credit and debit cards are sent to me. Did I reshow my ID? Nope. Do I ever show ID paying for common things. Nope. Not since checks pretty much disappeared. And when something happerns to the card, they still send me a new one as long as I know the right information.

The last time I pulled my real birth certificate out for anything at all was 12 years ago when I first moved back to Florida. The last time I used an ID at my bank in Texas was even longer.

Sure to do more things and live more prosperously yoiu'd need an ID. a lot more often.

But you being wrong about something, means it's just a new day.

There are many lists of what you need an ID for online. They are extensive. Even if you do not regularly show it you need it in case one of these things comes up. Having a valid id is just part of being an adult. No reason at all it should be an issue to show it to vote. Unless you are committing vote fraud.

And if a person can’t vote because they don’t have an ID well who cares. They can’t do other things that require one either. Their choice.

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There are many lists of what you need an ID for online. They are extensive. Even if you do not regularly show it you need it in case one of these things comes up. Having a valid id is just part of being an adult. No reason at all it should be an issue to show it to vote. Unless you are committing vote fraud.

And if a person can’t vote because they don’t have an ID well who cares. They can’t do other things that require one either. Their choice.

So what? There's way more things that don't require it.

All voters should present ID. There must be at least one form of acceptable ID that will be provided to every citizen free of charge that will satisfy the voter ID requirement. Construction fee the list of stupid things our tax dollars are spent on, providing a free voter ID is (should be) easy.

Geno keeps mentioning that there has never been an election altered by voter fraud. That is a silly comment. Any person or group that wants to commit voter fraud will do their very best to make sure no one knows it happened. I agree that the likelihood of the last Presidential election was altered by voter fraud approaches zero. But I think that taking steps to eliminate all fraud, even if it can’t be proven to be ‘determinative’, should be our goal. Having that high bar is what is needed to keep confidence in our elections. You may hate this fact, but maybe 1/4 of the populace were not confident in the 2020 election results.

Quote: rxwine

So what? There's way more things that don't require it.

That is about the silliest thing I have ever heard.

Since I voted over a week ago, I haven't needed an ID since. Who knows when I'll need it again.

I have to renew my registration on the car. in November. Don't need it. Won't need it for the rest of the year and beyond most likely.

And I'll be doing thousands of things in the next months where I won't need it.

Do you make your renters show their ID while they are living there? 'Cause I doubt if you do. Just to move in, right. Why would you ask them for it again in the next 10 years as long as they pay up and cause no trouble.

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I agree that the likelihood of the last Presidential election was altered by voter fraud approaches zero.

It's one thing that has become a matter of belonging to decent society, to be out of the ranks of the 'deplorables' has Hillary has put it, to state it that way. But the truth is, no one knows, the election was very close for the electoral vote determination. Lest I be decamped into the garbage dump, as Biden would put it, I'll just say lack of faith in our elections is intolerable, see below, and I'll go ahead and give a nod to those who say what you did if the motive is to help keep faith in the voting process. I think that's a lot of people

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But I think that taking steps to eliminate all fraud, even if it can’t be proven to be ‘determinative’, should be our goal. Having that high bar is what is needed to keep confidence in our elections. You may hate this fact, but maybe 1/4 of the populace were not confident in the 2020 election results.

The thing is, it is imperative that we eliminate those things that take away confidence in our elections. Dems talk about 'threat to Democracy' yet nothing is a bigger threat than this lack of faith

I go back to "beware of what you wish for" , Dems. Now you are gloating that one party can control the vote in many, many areas and oh! you are wishing for total control through fraud. The future may find that the party in control will indeed be the "party that controls" every time. Your example will clear the way. What if it is no longer the people you want in control? What if it is, but they change their nature into something you don't like? Many, many examples in history of that, Messrs.

Yes, some real nuts contested using voting machines, and I agree, they seem to be just nuts [I guess]. But it is a perfect example of something that shouldn't happen, it should never be "just trust the computer". Of course that is going to cause this problem!!

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over 100,000 paperless DRE voting machines have already been deployed which lack the ability to produce a voter-verified paper ballot.

Not acceptable!!

https://verifiedvoting.org/publication/summary-of-the-problem-with-electronic-voting/ .

Quote: SOOPOO

All voters should present ID. There must be at least one form of acceptable ID that will be provided to every citizen free of charge that will satisfy the voter ID requirement. Construction fee the list of stupid things our tax dollars are spent on, providing a free voter ID is (should be) easy.

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Geno keeps mentioning that there has never been an election altered by voter fraud.

Never said that. Quit inaccurately restating my words. Quote them exactly or don't quote me at all.

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That is a silly comment.

I agree. Which is why I don't say it.

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Any person or group that wants to commit voter fraud will do their very best to make sure no one knows it happened.

This right here, boys and girls, is the definition of "conspiracy theory".

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I agree that the likelihood of the last Presidential election was altered by voter fraud approaches zero.

Repeat as necessary, especially for those of you in the back.

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But I think that taking steps to eliminate all fraud, even if it can’t be proven to be ‘determinative’, should be our goal.

Which is why all jurisdictions have procedures in place verify the eligibility of voter registrants and which is why voter fraud is exceedingly rare. An analysis by the AP puts it at 475 over 25 millions votes cast in 6 battlegrounds in 2020. That puts "voter fraud" at 1 in 52,631 votes. Even the disbelievable Heritage Foundation places voter fraud at 1100 cases over 3 billion ballots cast over a certain time period. That puts voter fraud at 1 in 2.272 million. Can you develop a system of voter registration and vote procedures that can do better? If so, let's see it. Humans are imperfect. Human acts are imperfect. I dare you to show all of us how less imperfect you are, compared to the people running our elections.

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Having that high bar is what is needed to keep confidence in our elections.

The bar is already high. 1 in 2.72 million. I dare you to come achieve an even higher bar.

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You may hate this fact, but maybe 1/4 of the populace were not confident in the 2020 election results.

I hate the fact that maybe 1/4 of my fellow Americans are believing dangerous lies. This belief is not at all based on fact, but dangerous lies. I hate the fact that a person just may be reelected President based on that belief alone. I do, however, take great pleasure in certain people-Giuliani, Powell, Ellis, Habba and Eastman, to name a few, will have their personal and professional reputations permanently damaged over their belief in this Big Lie. I hate the fact that violence after the election is a very real possibility, based on the MAGA instigated violence after the last one. I also pray that Federal response to that prediction of violence is massive, overwhelming, preemptive and, if neccessary, merciless, within the bounds of the law and civil rights.