The Election Fraud Thread

Quote: odiousgambit

I really think the lefties reveal their true selves over this - they know which side is up to the fraudulent activity and they embrace it ... and really scream when they can't do their evil business

Who is embracing fraud?????
Take myself
I was born in the Republic of China and entered the USA as an infant
What document do you want to see that proves I'm a US citizen?
I do have documents that are 65 years old
When I had to prove citizenship, I provided my documents. 65 year old documents issued by the US State Dept in China being notified of my birth.
They admitted that they have never seen the type of paperwork I was providing.
The state of FL told me I couldn't vote until they researched my case.
I complained and asked to speak to a supervisor
After a while, they relented and I was approved

If you are going to take somebody off the voter rolls. The logical thing to do is interview that individual and examine their paperwork. There is no uniform document proving US citizenship. Every case is different

Quote: terapined

Who is embracing fraud?????

I think there are more Dems embracing voter fraud than any other despicable thing that they might pick up along the way. More that dig the idea of cheating in elections than those blindly accepting socialist ideas, for example. Like I said, their crappy reaction to what should be perfectly acceptable, like needing to have an ID, really reveals this embracement

Quote:

Take myself

You often provide enteresting stories, Ed, and I thank you. Your example here is one such, but "hard cases make bad law" ... in other words, a hard case like yours needs special attention and I'm glad you got it, but I wouldn't want to throw out established procedure in this area because of it

Quote: odiousgambit

I think there are more Dems embracing voter fraud than any other despicable thing that they might pick up along the way. More that dig the idea of cheating in elections than blindly accept socialist ideas, for example. Like I said, their crappy reaction to what should be perfectly acceptable, like needing to have an ID, really reveals this embracement

You often provide enteresting stories, Ed, and I thank you. Your example here is one such, but "hard cases make bad law" ... in other words, a hard case like yours needs special attention and I'm glad you got it, but I wouldn't want to throw out established procedure in this area because of it

Dems have no problem with prosecuting somebody that votes illegally. If somebody votes illegally, charge regardless of how they voted
Established procedure should be to prove someone is illegally registered before removing said person from the voter rolls regardless of which party they belong too
This is just common sense. If you increase the penalty for registering illegally or voting illegally, I have no problem with that.
Evidence matters

Voting should be free. It cost me over 50 bucks to vote. That sucks. That's how much I paid for my ID

Quote: terapined

Who is embracing fraud?????
Take myself
I was born in the Republic of China and entered the USA as an infant
What document do you want to see that proves I'm a US citizen?
I do have documents that are 65 years old
When I had to prove citizenship, I provided my documents. 65 year old documents issued by the US State Dept in China being notified of my birth.
They admitted that they have never seen the type of paperwork I was providing.
The state of FL told me I couldn't vote until they researched my case.
I complained and asked to speak to a supervisor
After a while, they relented and I was approved

If you are going to take somebody off the voter rolls. The logical thing to do is interview that individual and examine their paperwork. There is no uniform document proving US citizenship. Every case is different

I carry a US Passport card around with me at all times, just in case. Started to do that during the Trump administration. Never felt I needed to before, but his rhetoric around the issue spooked me. Was born here, of parents that were born here, of grandparents that were born here, of great-grandparents that were immigrants and did not all gain citizenship before they died.

Ther may be "no uniform document", but some are accepted as prima facie evidence of citizenship better than others.

The Constitution only requires you be born in the US to be a citizen outright. It doesn't even say you need a birth certificate much less some other approved ID.

Quote: rxwine

The Constitution only requires you be born in the US to be a citizen outright. It doesn't even say you need a birth certificate much less some other approved ID.

I don't disagree with you at all. But there are certain rights and certain benefits to being a US citizen versus being a non-citizen immigrant or resident. And I want to be able to completely dispel any questions-legitimate or otherwise-about my citizenship and to hep even the most moronic civil servant or moronic LEO determine my citizenship. Makes things easy.

I have a question for terapined: When you were in the working world, and and had to provide evidence of lawful presence in the US and eligibility for employment and identity, what documents did you present to your employer(s) that were on the list of documents listed on the I-9 form?

Quote: GenoDRPh

I don't disagree with you at all. But there are certain rights and certain benefits to being a US citizen versus being a non-citizen immigrant or resident. And I want to be able to completely dispel any questions-legitimate or otherwise-about my citizenship and to hep even the most moronic civil servant or moronic LEO determine my citizenship. Makes things easy.

I have a question for terapined: When you were in the working world, and and had to provide evidence of lawful presence in the US and eligibility for employment and identity, what documents did you present to your employer(s) that were on the list of documents listed on the I-9 form?

Expired US passport I got issued in 1978 to travel to the far east to visit relatives. My Mom took care of everything to get the passport issued. I didn't actually have my citizenship documents in my possession till she passed away in 2003
I presented the expired passport to American Express around 1992. They accepted it. State of FL only accepts valid passports to prove citizenship

Here is the top of the long form document FL employee said she never saw before. Weird

Quote: rxwine

The Constitution only requires you be born in the US to be a citizen outright. It doesn't even say you need a birth certificate much less some other approved ID.

No but to vote you have to prove you are a citizen. In the real world that means a birth certificate, passport, or other form of id. If you cannot produce these to register to vote well boo hoo hoo ho get them.

Quote: AZDuffman

No but to vote you have to prove you are a citizen. In the real world that means a birth certificate, passport, or other form of id. If you cannot produce these to register to vote well boo hoo hoo ho get them.

Ed did present a birth certificate of US citizen born abroad to US citizen parents. The state of FL still gave him trouble.

Quote: AZDuffman

No but to vote you have to prove you are a citizen. In the real world that means a birth certificate, passport, or other form of id. If you cannot produce these to register to vote well boo hoo hoo ho get them.

Make up your mind. You claim even illegal immigrants can easily vote and probably do. Why would anyone need to identify themselves.
Either the election is easily being stolen or it isn't.

Stick to one argument.