The Election Fraud Thread

Quote: AZDuffman

If a conservative had said such a thing we would never hear the end of it. The double standard is clear.

Biden said it, and we are never hearing the end of it. Terrible thing to say, cringe, out of touch, I do not defend it. But, it is not the end of the world.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is major enough that it had to go to SCOTUS multiple times the last 50 years. In about 2002 or 2003 SCOTUS even put an "expiration date" on it. Which SCOTUS actually upheld if not exactly to 20 years. And same whining as we always heard for 50 years. Colleges are trying to find ways around it. Colleges are having segregated commencements for crying out loud. Just more reasons I say young people should skip the swamp that is today's college life.

I am not sure that I follow any of this. You should skip college but also sue them for making it harder to get in? I do not know of any segregated commencement, but if it exists I would be 100% against it. I agree, ban racial demographics from being an admission criteria if I did not make this clear. But, donor status also must be banned. I am not sure that I have much more to say here, I do not know if your statement is true, but if it is, we likely agree.

Quote: AZDuffman

Again, because he is a Democrat he is forgiven. A conservative "used the 'n' word'" 20 years ago the NAACP wants him banished from public life. But a Democrat gets total forgiveness. The NAACP is a useless special interest group though. I remember some NAACP local officer somewhere accused cops of racism and was proven wrong with bodycam footage. Never saw what happened after. As a group they are the most demanding and condescending people you will ever meet. I worked a banquet of theirs once and the woman who was the manager was in near tears to deal with them as she was called a half-breed the year before. Them liking and approving f you is not a thing to be proud of.

It was not 20 years ago, it was more like over 70 years ago. And, no he does not get "total forgiveness" (not sure what this even means.) But, yes a white male being racist in the 1930s is less alarming than a white male being racist in the 2010s, I am not sure how this is even controversial or debatable. Also, what conservative said the N-word 20 years ago that the NAACP is trying to ban (I honestly do not know?)

I made it pretty clear that I am not a fan of Byrd, just for different reasons than you. So I am not here to defend him. His opposition of the Iraq liberation alone should show that he has no understanding of human rights, I do not need to know how he cosplayed in the 1930s.

As for how the NAACP behaves at parties, I have no idea, I have no association with this group. But, if they believed Byrd to be actively racist, they would not support him, that was my only point in quickly citing them. This may or may not be a point to be proud of, but it is a good way to disprove being racist (at least against blacks.) This is not a point that I am heavily vested in.

Quote: Gandler

Biden said it, and we are never hearing the end of it. Terrible thing to say, cringe, out of touch, I do not defend it. But, it is not the end of the world.

It is far from the only thing he has said that would be considered "racist" by the left if it had been a conservative that said it. Do some google research on Biden racist remarks.

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I am not sure that I follow any of this. You should skip college but also sue them for making it harder to get in? I do not know of any segregated commencement, but if it exists I would be 100% against it. I agree, ban racial demographics from being an admission criteria if I did not make this clear. But, donor status also must be banned. I am not sure that I have much more to say here, I do not know if your statement is true, but if it is, we likely agree.

[link = https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/5/colleges-expand-segregated-graduation-events/]GET INFORMED![/link.] There have also been colleges having separate dorms and "safe spaces" based on skin color. I say skip college for many reasons, this is just one of them. But that does not mean they should get their act together. The USA college system attracts many international students, which helps our balance of payments around the world even if only a little.

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It was not 20 years ago, it was more like over 70 years ago. And, no he does not get "total forgiveness" (not sure what this even means.) But, yes a white male being racist in the 1930s is less alarming than a white male being racist in the 2010s, I am not sure how this is even controversial or debatable. Also, what conservative said the N-word 20 years ago that the NAACP is trying to ban (I honestly do not know?)

I did not say he was in 20 years ago. I said that The NAACP will want to cancel someone who said a word 20 years ago. But a Democrat senator was in the KKK, well, he is now a Democrat so they do not care. Similar to how a male Democrat can harass but NOW will give him a pass as long as he says he loves abortion.

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As for how the NAACP behaves at parties, I have no idea, I have no association with this group. But, if they believed Byrd to be actively racist, they would not support him, that was my only point in quickly citing them. This may or may not be a point to be proud of, but it is a good way to disprove being racist (at least against blacks.) This is not a point that I am heavily vested in.

You are just going to have to take my word that it happened. Same gig our manager warned us to handle everything with kid gloves because they were very hard to deal with. They are a racist group themselves, just that they are black and racist against non-blacks.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is far from the only thing he has said that would be considered "racist" by the left if it had been a conservative that said it. Do some google research on Biden racist remarks.

He has been in the public eye for many decades, and has always been a poor/goofy speaker (even more so now that he is older,) I do not doubt you can find remarks on many issues that are unfortunate. I don't know that I would say anything I have heard is straight racist, but, sure often not great stuff to say, I don't disagree.

Quote: AZDuffman

[link = https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/5/colleges-expand-segregated-graduation-events/]GET INFORMED![/link.] There have also been colleges having separate dorms and "safe spaces" based on skin color. I say skip college for many reasons, this is just one of them. But that does not mean they should get their act together. The USA college system attracts many international students, which helps our balance of payments around the world even if only a little.

This is a dead link. But, I will take your word for it, and yes I oppose it. Should be banned. Segregated dorms should also be banned. I am not here to defend any of this foolishness if it does occur.

Quote: AZDuffman

I did not say he was in 20 years ago. I said that The NAACP will want to cancel someone who said a word 20 years ago. But a Democrat senator was in the KKK, well, he is now a Democrat so they do not care. Similar to how a male Democrat can harass but NOW will give him a pass as long as he says he loves abortion.

I completely disagree with this. Male Democrats are held to an absurdly high standard. Look at how many get runoff by the mere idea of such things (not even tangible actions.) Al Franken is a great example, did nothing wrong, but take a couple goofy photos and some jokes (long before being in the Senate.) He took a photo in Afghanistan I think (does not really matter,) with his hands on a sleeping woman's breasts while smiling, which sounds bad, but he did it on top of body armor (IE not actually touching her breasts of course.) Not professional or tasteful, but this is not the crime of the century.

Democrats are held to a ridiculous standard. Way higher than Republicans.

Quote: AZDuffman

You are just going to have to take my word that it happened. Same gig our manager warned us to handle everything with kid gloves because they were very hard to deal with. They are a racist group themselves, just that they are black and racist against non-blacks.

I am not here to defend them or their events, I am only saying if they thought he was even slightly a threat to blacks, they would not endorse him in anyway. So on this issue, their view of him does matter.

Quote: Gandler

I completely disagree with this. Male Democrats are held to an absurdly high standard. Look at how many get runoff by the mere idea of such things (not even tangible actions.) Al Franken is a great example, did nothing wrong, but take a couple goofy photos and some jokes (long before being in the Senate.) He took a photo in Afghanistan I think (does not really matter,) with his hands on a sleeping woman's breasts while smiling, which sounds bad, but he did it on top of body armor (IE not actually touching her breasts of course.) Not professional or tasteful, but this is not the crime of the century.

Democrats are held to a ridiculous standard. Way higher than Republicans.

Sorry, but no. Franken was held to a standard because it was pointed out that Democrats were not held to a higher standard, so they had to act. Would a Republican be allowed to say Obama did not use his negro dialect unless he chose to? That he was "clean?" Women outright defended Bill Clinton's sexual harassment because he supported abortion. Obama went to a black racist church and the media intentionally buried it as much as they could, the emails were even shown!

Sorry, but not even close.

Quote: AZDuffman

Sorry, but no. Franken was held to a standard because it was pointed out that Democrats were not held to a higher standard, so they had to act. Would a Republican be allowed to say Obama did not use his negro dialect unless he chose to? That he was "clean?" Women outright defended Bill Clinton's sexual harassment because he supported abortion. Obama went to a black racist church and the media intentionally buried it as much as they could, the emails were even shown!

Sorry, but not even close.

I do not think Al Franken did anything that was terrible, certainly nothing he should be run out of town over. The picture was a bit unprofessional and a bit raunchy, but it really was not a big deal. In fact, I will just post the photo, and people can judge for themselves.



I don't think Bill Clinton ever had issues with sexual harassment (while President, he certainly did when he was younger.) But, his issues while president revolved around a consensual affair, which was fine (legally,) but he only was impeached because he lied under oath regarding the affair. I am no fan of Clinton (he is almost as bad as Trump,) but this specific issue was not a major deal.

Obama attending a racist church was not covered up, we heard endlessly about it, and Obama spoke endlessly about it. Wright is a nutbag, but I am pretty sure 90% of Senators go to churches where I would view the pastor as a nutbag. The stuff he says about white people does not offend me that much (pretty much expected from that type,) it is his comments about Jews that I find most alarming.

Quote: Gandler

I do not think Al Franken did anything that was terrible, certainly nothing he should be run out of town over. The picture was a bit unprofessional and a bit raunchy, but it really was not a big deal. In fact, I will just post the photo, and people can judge for themselves.

I would put it under "conduct unbecoming." If you want to be a US Senator you should be held to a higher standard. IIRC this came out during the metoo thing, which was very bad timing for him.

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I don't think Bill Clinton ever had issues with sexual harassment (while President, he certainly did when he was younger.) But, his issues while president revolved around a consensual affair, which was fine (legally,) but he only was impeached because he lied under oath regarding the affair. I am no fan of Clinton (he is almost as bad as Trump,) but this specific issue was not a major deal.

Have you had sexual harassment training? "Hostile Environment." Look it up.

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Obama attending a racist church was not covered up, we heard endlessly about it, and Obama spoke endlessly about it.

It came out that reporters were emailing each other that they had to do something to change the conversation. Bottom line is if a white pol went to a church with a pastor with the same tone but was white it would have been the end of the road for him.

Quote: AZDuffman

I would put it under "conduct unbecoming." If you want to be a US Senator you should be held to a higher standard. IIRC this came out during the metoo thing, which was very bad timing for him.

If this is conduct unbecoming of a Senator, what does it take for conduct unbecoming of a President?

Quote: AZDuffman

Have you had sexual harassment training? "Hostile Environment." Look it up.

I have had endless sexual harassment training, this is not a hostile work environment. You can even argue it is the polar opposite of a hostile work environment, because she seemed far too comfortable in her work environment (and still seems to until this day.)

You can make a power dynamic argument, but not hostile work environment.

Quote: AZDuffman

It came out that reporters were emailing each other that they had to do something to change the conversation. Bottom line is if a white pol went to a church with a pastor with the same tone but was white it would have been the end of the road for him.

I don't agree, but either way this is nothing to do with sexual harassment. You can't control what private reporters choose to email themselves about, free speech and all that. When it comes to sexual harassment, Dems are held to a much higher standard.


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Quote: Gandler

If this is conduct unbecoming of a Senator, what does it take for conduct unbecoming of a President?

Even Duffman should have seen this coming.

Quote: Gandler

If this is conduct unbecoming of a Senator, what does it take for conduct unbecoming of a President?

Well, making a phone call seems to be the standard.

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I have had endless sexual harassment training, this is not a hostile work environment. You can even argue it is the polar opposite of a hostile work environment, because she seemed far too comfortable in her work environment (and still seems to until this day.)

You can make a power dynamic argument, but not hostile work environment.

Well, next time pay attention. Would you tell your mother to just deal with it if the boss had a woman servicing him in his office? Tell your daughter? It was not hostile to Monica, it was hostile to every other employee in the place.

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I don't agree, but either way this is nothing to do with sexual harassment. You can't control what private reporters choose to email themselves about, free speech and all that. When it comes to sexual harassment, Dems are held to a much higher standard.

The emails were about the Obama church, but since you brought it up, it was proven that C-BS had the Monica story and was burying it. Dems held to a higher standard? A laugh based on that alone! Are you old enough to remember the whole thing? CBS intentionally sat on the story of the decade, until their sitting on it became the story.

Quote: Gandler

I do not think Al Franken did anything that was terrible, certainly nothing he should be run out of town over. The picture was a bit unprofessional and a bit raunchy, but it really was not a big deal. In fact, I will just post the photo, and people can judge for themselves.

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That photo shows a sexual assault. He is touching her breasts as she sleeps. Unwanted sex touching is sexual assault.

It wasn't only the photo that did him in.

He resigned his seat in 2018 after eight women, including a Congressional staffer accused him of sexual harassment