Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

Quote: RonC

The moderate left has been overtaken by people who want to do things that will make anything already bad even worse. Defund the police. Tear down every statue. Restrict speech to only what they want to hear. Cancel culture.

I haven't liked Democrats but I have not really feared them, either. I fear the steering currents moving the Democrat Party now. Socialism seems to be a goal they would like to get to over time.

The right has been spinning up fear about the left, the commies, whatever since the modern conservative movement from the 1950s. It happens every time they might lose an election.

BESIDES, it's pretty clear the right is going to have a hard time selling the old Donald Trump to anyone beyond the base. They need to gin up fear. So, that's what's spinning from the strategists.

Frankly, I think it's their only possible strategy.

Bernie has been beaten twice btw..

Of course, in my opinion, the best way to strengthen the radical left is to leave Trump in office. There might be some corollary that the only way to balance the Trump nutjob, is another nutjob from the left. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Ultimately, Biden is a one termer or less. If push comes to shove, he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, because he won't be there for a second term. He may concede things to the left, but he doesn't need to answer to extreme pressure. He won't be running again.

Quote: rxwine

Ultimately, Biden is a one termer or less.

This is a photo of Porfirio Diaz who initially ran on a campaign of "no reeleccion". He changed his mind and ran again at the age of 80 which started the 9.5 year war known as the Mexican Revolution and 1.7 to 2.7 million Mexican deaths (civilian and military).

Quote: Evenbob

How? Trump has what every incumbent
needs, a rock solid excited base to
reelect him. Biden has no base, nobody
but nobody is excited about him. Hatred
of an incumbent has never driven people
to the polls and never will. What you
base your predictions on is a mystery.

Look at incumbents who lost. Voters
were excited about Reagan, they
were excited about Clinton. Super
excited. That's why they won, and
it's why Biden will lose. He registers
0 on the excitement meter.

What you are leaving out is the OBVIOUS fact that over half the country despises Trump the man. Maybe a third of the country loves Trump the man. As much as I agree that few are excited about Biden, the majority are EXTREMELY excited about keeping Trump a one term President.

Of course it is possible I could be wrong. I’m willing to bet I’m not. You are not willing to bet I’m wrong. Quite telling.

Quote: Evenbob

How? Trump has what every incumbent
needs, a rock solid excited base to
reelect him.

Quote: RonC

The moderate left has been overtaken by people who want to do things that will make anything already bad even worse. Defund the police. Tear down every statue. Restrict speech to only what they want to hear. Cancel culture.



I haven't liked Democrats but I have not really feared them, either. I fear the steering currents moving the Democrat Party now. Socialism seems to be a goal they would like to get to over time.

This! This is the first time I fear the results of an election. I knew Trump was not a worthy individual but I had confidence that senators/representatives//Supreme Court would prevent damage. I was correct, especially with a Democrat House. Until the pandemic it worked out perfectly. He was pro business and the economy was doing great. Market was up. Unemployment down. If the Senate stays Republican Biden will be fine. He has the ability to play with others. If the Senate turns, the far left will exert its negative influence with few checks.

Quote: rxwine

The right has been spinning up fear about the left, the commies, whatever since the modern conservative movement from the 1950s. It happens every time they might lose an election.

BESIDES, it's pretty clear the right is going to have a hard time selling the old Donald Trump to anyone beyond the base. They need to gin up fear. So, that's what's spinning from the strategists.

Frankly, I think it's their only possible strategy.

Bernie has been beaten twice btw..

Of course, in my opinion, the best way to strengthen the radical left is to leave Trump in office. There might be some corollary that the only way to balance the Trump nutjob, is another nutjob from the left. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

My comment isn't about "spun up fear" which is always the case with both sides...they try to spin the other has the polar opposite of what they stand for in every election.

My comment instead is about actually listening to what the people in the Democrat party are saying, including Bernie Sanders, about their influence on Biden. If one listens, you hear the very progressive side of the party gaining traction in what Biden says and what is being presented as the platform of the party. If it was simple "Fox News" saying it, then that would be one thing...but this is the actual Left saying it. Biden has never been a "transformational" politician but that is how some on his side are now presenting him.

Quote: Pacomartin

I have not admitted this to anyone until now, but I was one of the 4,489,341 voters that voted for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party in 2016.

You rule!

Quote: Pacomartin

I first noticed in 2016 people who favored a split government. I think it is the first time in history that so many people were afraid of both parties.

I have not admitted this to anyone until now, but I was one of the 4,489,341 voters that voted for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party in 2016.

I've voted for many 3rd party candidates in the past such as John Anderson and Nader
I believe people should vote for who they want to be President regardless of the polls

Quote: RonC

My comment isn't about 'spun up fear" which is always the case with both sides...they try to spin the other has the polar opposite of what they stand for in every election.

My comment instead is about actually listening to what the people in the Democrat party are saying, including Bernie Sanders, about their influence on Biden. If one listens, you hear the very progressive side of the party gaining traction in what Biden says and what is being presented as the platform of the party. If it was simple "Fox News" saying it, then that would be one thing...but this is the actual Left saying it. Biden has never been a "transformational" politician but that is how some on his side are now presenting him.

Unlike you, I can propose real scares that will definitely happen if you’re Democrat or left

Trump is barely capable of moderation. With only John Roberts as a possible opposing vote, Democrats are on a very thin edge already. Ginsberg will be gone. Expect loads of far right decisions.

Trump will keep decimating cabinets and replacing them with yes man.

Trump will keep firing people trying to keep him in check, and get rid of troublesome investigators.

Trump will keep lying about facts and dividing the nation. He will never be a unifier.