The Coronavirus thread

Quote: petroglyph

May as well post in a foreign language.

You're claiming the evidence is in? If so, go ahead and post in a foreign language, as I'm not interested until the actual double blind studies are done.

Besides, it wasn't any special debunking squad, it was just other scientists looking at the published data. The same guys some of you don't trust. This actually came out days ago. I have a subscription to New Scientist, and some email subscriptions to other reports, and had already read about it.

Quote: petroglyph

Looks like AZ Duffman was right about the virus. Not even on the news.

Thanks. I have my methods........

Quote: petroglyph

It has become apparent that it doesn't matter how many times it get's repeated, that HCQ needs to be used early and with zinc and Azithromycin, the crowd will continue to swear that the drug doesn't help.

The reason I posted the retraction by the Lancet was, to show that the drug HCQ doesn't appear to cause heart failure.

May as well post in a foreign language.

As I've said before, if a drug is able to be a slight help, the number of patients needed to be in a study to prove it can be massive. Let's say the chloroquin/zinc/azithromicin combo will lower the fatality rate by 10%. So even if you assume 1% of COVID-19 positive patients will die without treatment, then out of 1000 patients untreated 10 will die, and out of 1000 patients treated 9 will die. So try and imagine how many patients need to be in a study if it will save 1 out of a thousand on average. The study "not reaching statistical significance" does NOT mean the drug isn't helpful! If it really does help cut mortality by 10%, then its use would have saved 10,000 lives so far, had it been known as a fact and used in all cases. (In the USA)

As far as the 'heart failure' part, there are LOTS of drugs that theoretically can cause arrhythmias like the Q-T prolongation that chloroquin can. Many of those drugs are commonly used in routine anesthesia practice. They are very rare indeed, in that in my 30 years of practice I do not think I saw a clinically significant one. One great drug (for anti-nausea) called droperidol, used successfully millions of times, essentially has had its clinical use ended because of the same fear of Q-T prolongation. I still to this day feel that the replacement drugs, which made billions for someone, might have had something to do with it. Meaning if droperidol was still under patent someone would have fought for it to still be used.

Quote: AZDuffman

Thanks. I have my methods........

This is how Lilly Wachowski, co-creator of The Matrix, responds to righties who try to co-opt the “red pill.”

Quote: rxwine

You're claiming the evidence is in? If so, go ahead and post in a foreign language, as I'm not interested until the actual double blind studies are done.

Besides, it wasn't any special debunking squad, it was just other scientists looking at the published data. The same guys some of you don't trust. This actually came out days ago. I have a subscription to New Scientist, and some email subscriptions to other reports, and had already read about it.

It is obvious you didn't actually read the linked article. It was the original reports authors that pulled the article. It came to light that the 3rd party data that the analysis in their report was based on was suspect. They went back to the original source of the data and asked for the raw data so they could check their own original work. They were refused access to the data.

The Worldometer site has a very interesting study of the NYC Covid stats as well 15K random tests the researchers did. Using this information they have come up with a projected mortality rate of 1.4%, the study includes many other projections for Covid including age risks. Their random tests also show that the official confirmed cases are likely only 10% of the actual and put the total number of cases in NYC at almost 20%. If anybody wants some serious science I have included the link which provides all their work and assumptions.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Quote: kenarman

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

723.6 (per 100,000 population) mortality of all causes in US in 2018
~140 (per 100,000 population) mortality from smoking in US in 2018


Rates of the 10 leading causes of death in the United States in 2018 (per 100,000 population)*
163.6 Heart disease
149.1 Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
49.1 Accidents (unintentional injuries)
39.7 Chronic lower respiratory diseases
37.1 Cerebrovascular diseases
30.5 Alzheimer’s disease
21.4 Diabetes mellitus
14.9 Influenza and pneumonia
12.9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis
14.2 Intentional self-harm (suicide)

COVID-19 International rates as of 6 June. (per 100,000 population)

82.7 Belgium (using a different standard to count deaths)
59.6 UK
58.0 Spain
56.0 Italy
46.2 Sweden (no quarantine! Increasing rapidly in May and passed France in the last week)
44.7 France
35.2 Netherlands
34.0 Ireland
33.8 United States

The Swedish statistics may be a harbinger as to what will happen to the US once we lift quarantine.

Quote: Pacomartin

723.6 (per 100,000 population) mortality of all causes in US in 2018
~140 (per 100,000 population) mortality from smoking in US in 2018


Rates of the 10 leading causes of death in the United States in 2018 (per 100,000 population)*
163.6 Heart disease
149.1 Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
49.1 Accidents (unintentional injuries)
39.7 Chronic lower respiratory diseases
37.1 Cerebrovascular diseases
30.5 Alzheimer’s disease
21.4 Diabetes mellitus
14.9 Influenza and pneumonia
12.9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis
14.2 Intentional self-harm (suicide)

COVID-19 International rates as of 6 June. (per 100,000 population)

82.7 Belgium (using a different standard to count deaths)
59.6 UK
58.0 Spain
56.0 Italy
46.2 Sweden (no quarantine! Increasing rapidly in May and passed France in the last week)
44.7 France
35.2 Netherlands
34.0 Ireland
33.8 United States

The Swedish statistics may be a harbinger as to what will happen to the US once we lift quarantine.

Paco did you actually drill down on the site to the NYC study I referred too? Not just the overall stats on the site.

This article is worth reading, no
matter the source. It's what I
said about Foochi from the start,
and you KNOW I said it, you
were here. Him and the Scarf Queen.
They were in it for their ego's.

It isn't long, just read it.

"Mea culpa: I spent a lot of time on these here digital pages defending Dr. Anthony Fauci. Brother, was I wrong. Fauci is a stone-cold liar. And if he’s not a stone-cold liar, his only defense is that he is a fraud. Either way, shame on him … and me."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/07/nolte-dr-fauci-either-liar-fraud/

Quote: Evenbob

This article is worth reading, no
matter the source.

Nothing from Breitbart is worth reading. Do they still have their “Black Crime” section?