Democratic debates

Quote: SOOPOO

Remember, it was only a few hundred thousand votes in the 'battleground' states that made the difference between Mr. President and Madam President.

Way less than a few hundred thousand. Roughly 77,000.

There are multiple categories of voters who may have made a difference if you selectively reallocate their votes afterwords.
Both of them had third party candidates take votes away from them in various states.

I think the biggest one is the number of people who didn't vote at all. Who knows who they would have voted for? I don't think there are a lot of polls that would clue you in, and informal polls where you get answers like "I don't think my vote would make a difference" indicates to me that you'd have a hard time getting a representative sample to answer a poll.

As for how many votes by a group made a difference, I think you would also need to look state by state and see if their votes would have made an electoral vote difference. For example, vote crossover in California or Texas hardly matter at all, but the ones in those "battleground states" do.

Soopoo wants to blame democrats. I want to blame third party voters in the close states who would have voted for Clinton.

Quote: Dalex64

There are multiple categories of voters who may have made a difference if you selectively reallocate their votes afterwords.
Both of them had third party candidates take votes away from them in various states.

I think the biggest one is the number of people who didn't vote at all. Who knows who they would have voted for? I don't think there are a lot of polls that would clue you in, and informal polls where you get answers like "I don't think my vote would make a difference" indicates to me that you'd have a hard time getting a representative sample to answer a poll.

As for how many votes by a group made a difference, I think you would also need to look state by state and see if their votes would have made an electoral vote difference. For example, vote crossover in California or Texas hardly matter at all, but the ones in those "battleground states" do.

Soopoo wants to blame democrats. I want to blame third party voters in the close states who would have voted for Clinton.

Agree with above. There are a bunch of possibilities. We can both be correct simultaneously. It is always the easiest to list turnout as a reason someone lost. Given a third of all eligible voters don't vote (something like that...) it is quite easy to make a model showing landslides for either candidate if they can get their side to vote at 90% as an example.

Quote: Dalex64

Soopoo wants to blame democrats. I want to blame third party voters in the close states who would have voted for Clinton.

Why not just blame Clinton for running an awful campaign? She had everything going for her and blew it. Biggest loss in a fix since Ron Shaw beat David Sammartino.

Quote: AZDuffman

Why not just blame Clinton for running an awful campaign? She had everything going for her and blew it. Biggest loss in a fix since Ron Shaw beat David Sammartino.

I'd go a step before that and blame democrats for picking her in the first place, in apparently rigged process.

Looks like the Republicans this time around want to go with straight-up disenfranchisement by reducing or eliminating Republican caucauses or primaries. I suppose it is more honest to not give someone a vote in the candidate selection process rather than rigging the results.

Quote: Dalex64

I'd go a step before that and blame democrats for picking her in the first place, in apparently rigged process.

Looks like the Republicans this time around want to go with straight-up disenfranchisement by reducing or eliminating Republican caucauses or primaries. I suppose it is more honest to not give someone a vote in the candidate selection process rather than rigging the results.

Really no need for a primary when you are the party in power.

We told you Dems that it was rigged for Hillary but we got poo-poohed. We were right all along. FWIW her Senate primary was rigged as well.

Quote: AZDuffman

Really no need for a primary when you are the party in power.

We told you Dems that it was rigged for Hillary but we got poo-poohed. We were right all along. FWIW her Senate primary was rigged as well.

I am not a democrat.

Quote: Dalex64

I am not a democrat.

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