Democratic Nominee in 2020

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September 9th, 2020 at 5:19:27 AM permalink
ams288
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Quote: Mission146
I'm not a Conservative and I have no racist bile to spread.


Then my post doesn’t apply to you.

Hence the “when conservatives complain” clause...
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September 9th, 2020 at 5:20:14 AM permalink
Mission146
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Then my post doesn’t apply to you.

Hence the “when conservatives complain” clause...


Why does the claim that, "Everyone is too PC," have varying potential validity depending on who says it?
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September 9th, 2020 at 5:24:26 AM permalink
ams288
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Why does the claim that, "Everyone is too PC," have varying potential validity depending on who says it?


Because some people of a certain political persuasion just want to be able to spew their racist bile without consequence, like they could in the good ol’ days when America was “great.”
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September 9th, 2020 at 5:25:09 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Refusal to cater to certain customers is essentially virtue-signaling. You're basically taking the gamble that the customers you'll gain will more than offset the revenue that you're losing. And, again, boycotts are perfectly valid...as is legitimate public information on a business.


Nobody is "refusing to cater to certain customers." They are saying, "I do not carry that product" or "I do not do that type of service."

We are not talking boycotts. We are talking trying to destroy people that liberals do not approve of. For example, they did not say they were not going to eat at Chick-Fil-A. They said they were going to go there and engage in behavior designed to disgust the customers of Chick-Fil-A.

It is not always about gaining other revenue. It is often about just not wanting to do that type of business.
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September 9th, 2020 at 5:43:04 AM permalink
Shrek
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I generally feel the same way. My view is personal life should be personal.

This is hilarious coming from the same libbie who keeps harping on Trump's supposed "affairs" (which are all made up by libbies btw). 🙄
September 9th, 2020 at 6:12:55 AM permalink
Mission146
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Nobody is "refusing to cater to certain customers." They are saying, "I do not carry that product" or "I do not do that type of service."

We are not talking boycotts. We are talking trying to destroy people that liberals do not approve of. For example, they did not say they were not going to eat at Chick-Fil-A. They said they were going to go there and engage in behavior designed to disgust the customers of Chick-Fil-A.

It is not always about gaining other revenue. It is often about just not wanting to do that type of business.


They don't bake and prepare wedding cakes (your example)?

Even if that were strictly true the way you're phrasing it, then people are just advertising that the business does not offer a particular service that they feel the business in question should offer, and as such, should be avoided for not offering said service.

Refusing to spend your money in a particular business is not, "Destroying people." I go past innumerable businesses every day without spending any money there. I also openly say that some locations, in my opinion, suck. "Should we get pizza from x?" No, because that pizza sucks and is one of the only places in this entire city with awful pizza.

If they go there and engage in such behavior, then Chick-Fil-A has the legal right and ability to ask them to leave. If they refuse, then they will perhaps be arrested for Defiant Trespass. If they resist arrest, then things will get much worse for them.

On a side note, Chik-Fil-A absolutely rules. Best chicken sandwiches in the game...and it's not close. I'm not one to say I, "Support a business' politics," by patronizing it...I support the fact that their chicken sandwich is bang-up, awesome, extraordinary, amazing and delicious!

Finally, I return to, "If they don't want to do that type of business," then what's wrong with making it known that they don't do that type of business? You'd think that would be doing them a favor to make it known.

Do they simultaneously want to not do that type of business and also not have it be common public knowledge that they don't do it?
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September 9th, 2020 at 6:21:18 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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They don't bake and prepare wedding cakes (your example)?

Even if that were strictly true the way you're phrasing it, then people are just advertising that the business does not offer a particular service that they feel the business in question should offer, and as such, should be avoided for not offering said service.


They do not prepare same-sex wedding cakes. No different than a black baker who might refuse to prepare a cake for a local KKK chapter. Or a tattoo artist who will not do certain types of tattoos. When it is a custom job the vendor should have the right to decline the business.

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Refusing to spend your money in a particular business is not, "Destroying people." I go past innumerable businesses every day without spending any money there. I also openly say that some locations, in my opinion, suck. "Should we get pizza from x?" No, because that pizza sucks and is one of the only places in this entire city with awful pizza.

If they go there and engage in such behavior, then Chick-Fil-A has the legal right and ability to ask them to leave. If they refuse, then they will perhaps be arrested for Defiant Trespass. If they resist arrest, then things will get much worse for them.



Correct, but hassling other customers is. Posting fake reviews on Yelp, et al. is. The point is it should not have to get to the point that they need to be asked to leave. They are trying to destroy a business just because it does not conform to their social views. They cannot just go eat at McDonald's and leave it alone.

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On a side note, Chik-Fil-A absolutely rules. Best chicken sandwiches in the game...and it's not close. I'm not one to say I, "Support a business' politics," by patronizing it...I support the fact that their chicken sandwich is bang-up, awesome, extraordinary, amazing and delicious!


Their average store does almost twice an average McDonald's. In one less day a week and Chick-Fil-A really is not a huge player in breakfast like McD is. They have amazing service. They have a great sandwich. That all being said I am on strike there since their CEO said I should be shining the shoes of blacks for whatever happened to someone I never knew way before I was ever born.
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September 9th, 2020 at 6:36:58 AM permalink
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They do not prepare same-sex wedding cakes. No different than a black baker who might refuse to prepare a cake for a local KKK chapter. Or a tattoo artist who will not do certain types of tattoos. When it is a custom job the vendor should have the right to decline the business.


I agree they have the right to decline whomever they like. People have the right to discuss that the business declines a particular clientele. Such discussion is also a service to the business itself so that everyone that they would not serve knows not to go in and ask for that type of service. Win-win-win for all involved.

I'm certain that the local KKK Chapter can also go around and let everyone know that your hypothetical black baker refused to serve them. I obviously can't make any promises as to how sympathetic the general public will be to their plight, but they can certainly tell folks.

I also agree on the tattoo artist. If you know people (or just want to inform the public, at-large) that Tattoo Parlor XYZ does not do tattoos of ABC-type things, then you can certainly make that known. I know a tattoo artist that will absolutely not do names, unless the person is an immediate blood relative or deceased.

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Correct, but hassling other customers is. Posting fake reviews on Yelp, et al. is. The point is it should not have to get to the point that they need to be asked to leave. They are trying to destroy a business just because it does not conform to their social views. They cannot just go eat at McDonald's and leave it alone.


I agree with you 100%. I don't even think you should walk into the business if you know ahead of time that you're not at least a potential patron. I agree 100% with posting fake negative reviews on Yelp. Personally, if I ran a reviews site, people would be required to submit a picture of their receipt from the business with any potentially identifying information concealed.

It shouldn't get to the point where they are asked to leave, but they have the legal right to be in there until such time as they are asked to leave. That doesn't mean I agree with the behavior...again...I don't even think they should be in the business if they're not at least potential customers.

And, if they commit a crime they should be dealt with accordingly. If they are asked to leave and have not purchased anything, then refuse to leave, they have now committed a crime...so there you go.

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Their average store does almost twice an average McDonald's. In one less day a week and Chick-Fil-A really is not a huge player in breakfast like McD is. They have amazing service. They have a great sandwich. That all being said I am on strike there since their CEO said I should be shining the shoes of blacks for whatever happened to someone I never knew way before I was ever born.


That's because they have awesome food and McDonald's, you know, doesn't. I guess I like the BE&C Biscuits, but only once in awhile. Wendy's will always be my fast food go-to, but Chik-Fil-A is a pretty close second place.

I agree with you that they have outstanding service. The only problem I have is the CFA nearest me went drive-through only, so they're swamped, and they frequently get the order wrong. It especially sucks because you don't want to take the time to go through the bags, (there are, like, 15+ cars behind you) but it's not worth going back through if they forget something. I think they've forgotten one out of two fries twice in the last 3-4 months. One time they completely forgot the chicken strips. Another time they did not give the Spicy Chicken Deluxe Sandwich (it was a regular one).

I'm 100% sure we ordered correctly because my fiancee and I get the same thing every single time.

So, I feel kind of bad because the food quality has not been compromised, but we're not going back until the COVID thing is over or they go back to allowing customers inside. The order is just missing something too frequently lately.

Whose CEO? I didn't hear that, but I never really follow what companies are doing politically because I mostly only care about whether or not a particular product/service is a great value.

I only actively avoid a few places. Several because they are open on Thanksgiving Day even though it is totally unjustified, in my opinion. I avoid Whole Foods and Amazon because, when you have a casino company treating their employees (CV-19 pandemic) better than you are...and you also happen to be the richest person on the planet...you've got some soul-searching you need to do.
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September 9th, 2020 at 7:29:47 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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That's because they have awesome food and McDonald's, you know, doesn't. I guess I like the BE&C Biscuits, but only once in awhile. Wendy's will always be my fast food go-to, but Chik-Fil-A is a pretty close second place.

I agree with you that they have outstanding service. The only problem I have is the CFA nearest me went drive-through only, so they're swamped, and they frequently get the order wrong. It especially sucks because you don't want to take the time to go through the bags, (there are, like, 15+ cars behind you) but it's not worth going back through if they forget something. I think they've forgotten one out of two fries twice in the last 3-4 months. One time they completely forgot the chicken strips. Another time they did not give the Spicy Chicken Deluxe Sandwich (it was a regular one).

I'm 100% sure we ordered correctly because my fiancee and I get the same thing every single time.

So, I feel kind of bad because the food quality has not been compromised, but we're not going back until the COVID thing is over or they go back to allowing customers inside. The order is just missing something too frequently lately.

Whose CEO? I didn't hear that, but I never really follow what companies are doing politically because I mostly only care about whether or not a particular product/service is a great value.


I avoid drive thrus for the most part. That is odd as CFA usually has the best of them though.

The CEO of Chick-Fil-A said that. I seriously do not get the hold that BLM has on these companies, but they have it. We will soon see if people tune out the NFL over it.
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September 9th, 2020 at 9:02:46 AM permalink
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I avoid drive thrus for the most part. That is odd as CFA usually has the best of them though.

The CEO of Chick-Fil-A said that. I seriously do not get the hold that BLM has on these companies, but they have it. We will soon see if people tune out the NFL over it.


Liberals represent a significant portion of the population, so if he's going to say anything at all, whatever it was he said was likely a good move. Best business, in my opinion, is just to stay out of politics altogether.

CFA Drive-Thru is usually fine, pre-COVID. They're just tasked with something that's virtually impossible at the location, so mistakes are going to get made. I also do not like that the dining room is closed because I consider it pointless. I'm not saying that I absolutely think they should let people dine-in (I'm agnostic on that), but people should be able to walk in and order.

The process at one near me is this:

1. Two lines of cars, which merge into one as you come around the building.

2. Someone will come to the car (on the opposite side of the building from the window) to take your order.

3. The cars will then pull around to near where the ordering thing would normally be, cars who have pre-ordered will be directed to a parking spot.

4. An individual stationed outside in this spot will take payment and tell you whether you are before or after the car closest to you. (PEOPLE LOVE TRYING TO JUMP IN FRONT OF YOU ANYWAY!!!!)

5. You will get your food and beverages at the window.

6. You will pull up several feet where someone is stationed outside to give you your sauces, if you want any.

It's about as efficient as such a system can ever hope to be; the problem is that they're just absolutely swamped and I'm sure there's a maximum amount of time that they want any given car to be waiting. They've also run into the physical reality of backing traffic up all the way to a neighboring parking lot (and the road once!) on more than one occasion. With nobody directing the traffic...some people trying to get in line...some who don't know where the line even starts, some people trying to get out of there entirely and some people trying to get through so they can go to one of the neighboring locations...it's just an excrement show.

I just wish the priority was more on making sure the orders are right and less on speed. If I see that there are ten cars in front of me, then I'm clearly not expecting to be out of there in two minutes anyway...but some people are completely unreasonable, do expect that and will make those expectations known very vocally. They're obviously the main problem. Were everyone patient, everything would be fine. Although, I guess the traffic situation would be an even bigger problem.

Clear answer is just to let people come inside if they want to.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman