New Route from Vegas

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October 2nd, 2018 at 5:39:26 AM permalink
Wizard
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Primera Air, based in Estonia, abruptly went out of business stranding all its passengers, firing all its employees, turning off its telephones, email and twitter feed and making no attempts to find alternative travel arrangements for anyone.

Those cheapie tickets are worthless and nontransferable.

Those passengers are stuck wherever they are.


Never heard of them. When I was in Europe I flew from Barcelona to Zurich on some cheapo airline for like $20 for the base ticket but it was more like $40 after taxes. Tiny seats and the plane was 90% full. You had to pay for any beverage or snack. Worse than the cheapo airlines in the US.

Coincidentally, my 12-year-old daughter asked me yesterday why TWA went out of business. I told them they couldn't compete against the low fare airlines that started popping up in the 80's. Hopefully that is more or less right.

As to Primera, that is what happened to my own National Airlines. They suddenly went out of business in the middle of the day with planes still in the air. I think the airports had to find other people to remove the luggage.
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October 2nd, 2018 at 5:49:45 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Fleastiff
Primera Air, based in Estonia, abruptly went out of business stranding all its passengers, firing all its employees, turning off its telephones, email and twitter feed and making no attempts to find alternative travel arrangements for anyone.

Those cheapie tickets are worthless and nontransferable.

Those passengers are stuck wherever they are.


Never heard of them and I am in the business
I cant book a lot of small airlines, many don't participate in the global distribution system I work on, Sabre
I don't send anybody to Estonia anyway
closest business destinations for my clients would be Vilnius or Helsinki
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October 2nd, 2018 at 9:31:02 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: terapined
Never heard of them and I am in the business
I don't send anybody to Estonia anyway
Pancho posted about them. They were UK and Iceland to the USA and Mexico flights I think.

Not really sure ... its mainly an example of what happens when ticket prices are too low.
October 2nd, 2018 at 12:03:43 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Fleastiff
. its mainly an example of what happens when ticket prices are too low.


Or, safety standards are too high. Quit paying for oxygen masks, floating cushions, inflatible exits, etc. That stuff costs a lot of money and is rarely used.
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October 2nd, 2018 at 12:38:26 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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I used to get a kick out of the life vest and seat cushion stuff on those flights from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, the Mojave desert not likely to require much in the way of flotation gear.
October 2nd, 2018 at 7:11:30 PM permalink
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The Civil Aviation Authority has said it will not intervene to bring UK passengers home following the collapse of the airline Primera Air, which has left thousands of people stranded abroad and holiday plans ruined. The CAA said it was not obliged to mount an operation because the budget airline was not covered by its Air Travel Organiser’s Licence (Atol) protection scheme.

Primera Air was flying from D.C., Newark and Philadelphia to London (Stansted). They were also flying to Paris.



Despite the collapse of this airline, I think the idea of using narrow bodies to Europe will continue. A very large percentage of TransAtlantic flights are headed to Britain or Ireland which is within range of the new generation of single aisle aircraft (B737max and A320neo and particularly the A321neo).


Norwegian has 130 such planes on order. It is not clear how many will be pressed into TransAtlantic service. So far they are experimenting with smaller airports like Dublin, Cork, Shannon, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Bergen for the smaller jets while using Dreamliners for London Gatwick.
October 3rd, 2018 at 10:20:06 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: Pacomartin
Despite the collapse of this airline, I think the idea of using narrow bodies to Europe will continue. A very large percentage of TransAtlantic flights are headed to Britain or Ireland which is within range of the new generation of single aisle aircraft (B737max and A320neo and particularly the A321neo).


Yes, a fine opportunity, but publicity about the collapse will linger.
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:40:18 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
Yes, a fine opportunity, but publicity about the collapse will linger.


American Airlines highest priority next year will be to replace their 30 MD-80s (which cannot fly TransAtlantic) with B737Max8s, but by year end 2020 as they begin to phase out their B767 (19 retired) and B757s (10 retired) the airline will probably start flying single aisle B737Max-8 and A321neos to Europe from JFK, Philadelphia, and possibly Charlotte.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:06:42 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Pacomartin
American Airlines highest priority next year will be to replace their 30 MD-80s (which cannot fly TransAtlantic) with B737Max8s, but by year end 2020 as they begin to phase out their B767 (19 retired) and B757s (10 retired) the airline will probably start flying single aisle B737Max-8 and A321neos to Europe from JFK, Philadelphia, and possibly Charlotte.


That is funny, I am scheduled on an American 767 & 757 next week. Hopefully they are retired by then. :)
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October 4th, 2018 at 4:39:30 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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American Fleet goals

JETS 17 18 19 20 - year end goal
B757 34 34 34 24 (currently average 18.9 Years)
B767 24 24 18 5 (currently average 20.0 Years)


By year end 2020 other dual aisle jets on American
15 A330-200 (6.9 Years)
9 A330-300 (18.2 Years)
47 B777-200ER (17.9 Years)
20 B777-300ER (4.7 Years)
32 B787-8 new
22 B787-9 new

After year end 2020 they will still have another 35 B787s on order so presumably they will replace the A330-300s as well as the last of the B767s. American airlines may have only B787 and B797 plus single aisle jets in 15-20 years. Both American and Delta don't seem interested in putting over 304-306 seats in a jet.
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