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February 20th, 2019 at 8:46:35 PM permalink
JimRockford
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Quote: AZDuffman
Dems are against border fence
Dems are calling to get rid of ICE
Dems are for drivers licenses for illegal aliens
Dems are for free college for illegal aliens
Dems are for no new beds in ICE detention
Dems are for sanctuary cities and states

How many more ways can we show Democrats are for open borders?

I don't know if all of those positions are held by mainstream Democrats but I'll let a Democrat defend the Democrats. My point is someone can be against the wall but in favor of border security. I will give you this much. None of the problems with border fences that I listed are ever discussed in DC. No one speaks for the people on the border directly affected or the wildlife.
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February 21st, 2019 at 2:45:27 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: JimRockford
I don't know if all of those positions are held by mainstream Democrats but I'll let a Democrat defend the Democrats. My point is someone can be against the wall but in favor of border security. I will give you this much. None of the problems with border fences that I listed are ever discussed in DC. No one speaks for the people on the border directly affected or the wildlife.


How can you be in favor of border security yet against the simplest thing that can be done to improve border security? People and wildlife will adapt, not that either will be affected much at all.
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February 21st, 2019 at 10:00:48 AM permalink
JimRockford
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Quote: AZDuffman
How can you be in favor of border security yet against the simplest thing that can be done to improve border security? People and wildlife will adapt, not that either will be affected much at all.

Speaking of Cool Hand Luke, what we've got here is failure to communicate.
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February 21st, 2019 at 12:07:12 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: JimRockford
Speaking of Cool Hand Luke, what we've got here is failure to communicate.


Yes, nobody can communicate how they are against a wall but want better border security.

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February 21st, 2019 at 4:20:34 PM permalink
reno
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Quote: AZDuffman
Yes, nobody can communicate how they are against a wall but want better border security.


Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from the Philipines: 313,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from China: 362,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from India: 296,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Vietnam: 134,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Korea: 169,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Dominican Republic: 139,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Pakistan: 56,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Nigeria: 54,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Jamaica: 92,000


These people didn't hike through the Sonoran Desert and cross the border at midnight. They arrived on airplanes in broad daylight. How will Trump's pointless, expensive, ineffectual wall stop this?
February 21st, 2019 at 4:52:23 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: reno
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from the Philipines: 313,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from China: 362,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from India: 296,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Vietnam: 134,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Korea: 169,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Dominican Republic: 139,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Pakistan: 56,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Nigeria: 54,000
Number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. from Jamaica: 92,000


These people didn't hike through the Sonoran Desert and cross the border at midnight. They arrived on airplanes in broad daylight. How will Trump's pointless, expensive, ineffectual wall stop this?


So only 10% of the illegal immigrants in the US are not from Mexico. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
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February 21st, 2019 at 4:58:34 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: reno
These people didn't hike through the Sonoran Desert and cross the border at midnight


There are 30 million illegal aliens in
the US. Your list adds up to about
1.6 mil. Do you see the problem?
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February 21st, 2019 at 5:12:29 PM permalink
reno
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Quote: kenarman
So only 10% of the illegal immigrants in the US are not from Mexico. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.


That was just a small sample of nations. For Asia in its entirety there are 1,774,000 unauthorized immigrants living in the US. From Africa there are 318,000. From the Caribbean there are 351,000. From South America (not Central America) there are 685,000. From Europe there are 579,000. Add up those numbers: 3,707,000

There are 5,944,000 unauthorized immigrants from Mexico. But my point is that wasting billions on a wall in Texas will have zero impact on people sneaking in from China or Bangladesh or Haiti or Poland.
February 21st, 2019 at 5:15:00 PM permalink
reno
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Evenbob
There are 30 million illegal aliens in
the US. Your list adds up to about
1.6 mil. Do you see the problem?


Source?

It's 10.7 million, not 30 million.
February 21st, 2019 at 5:43:20 PM permalink
fleaswatter
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: reno
Source?

It's 10.7 million, not 30 million.


Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us

Quote:
The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201193


I don't believe that anyone knows the real number of illegals
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