The Trump implosion thread!

Quote: Evenbob

If an Asian and a black apply
to the same med school and
they have the same scores,
the black is accepted and not
the Asian. That's discriminating
because of race. Racism. If
they're equal in every other way,
the black is always picked.

If it isn't unjust, it isn't discrimination.

If it isn't because one race is seen as inferior to another, it isn't racism.

In a subsequent post, you are doing just what I said you guys are doing, attempting to change the definitions of words for your own purposes.

The term "affirmative action" was first used in the United States in "Executive Order No. 10925", signed by President John F. Kennedy on 6 March 1961, which included a provision that government contractors "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."

It was used to promote actions that achieve non-discrimination. In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson issued Executive Order 11246 which required government employers to take "affirmative action" to "hire without regard to race, religion and national origin". This prevented employers from discriminating against members of disadvantaged groups. In 1967, gender was added to the anti-discrimination list.

Quote: AZDuffman

Saying we should take skin color into account makes a person a racist. You said we should. That makes you a racist.

Nearly every nation in the world has laws to protect members of groups that are known to have previously suffered from discrimination. Norwegian has stringest gender quotas. India protects lower cast members. New Zealand protects the Māori. Romania protects the gypsies.

Most people associate the term "racist" with "race hatred" . Not just taking "skin color into account".

Quote: Dalex64

If it isn't unjust, it isn't discrimination.

So to deny entry to university solely
on race is not discrimination. Is not
racism? It is unjust.

Quote: Evenbob

So to deny entry to university solely
on race is not discrimination. Is not
racism? It is unjust.

Racism example:

Asian-Americans Suing Harvard for Admissions Discrimination

They contend in their lawsuit that Harvard systematically and unconstitutionally discriminates against Asian-American applicants by penalizing their high achievement as a group, while giving preferences to other racial and ethnic minorities. They say that Harvard’s admission process amounts to an illegal quota system.

That's discrimination, not racism, because they aren't saying as a race that whites are dumber and Asians are smarter, and it isn't out of hatred, but as a group of applicants these Asians are smarter than the other applicants.

That is, if the courts agree with their assertion and label it as 'unjust' and therefore discrimination.

As for "higher achievement as a group" I think that means that they only have so many "Asian" slots, and because so many of them are higher achievers, lower achievers from other groups get in while some Asians are rejected. Again, an illegal quota system, or discrimination, but not racism.

Still, that is the closest example you have come up with so far.

Quote:

In 1978, the United States Supreme Court ruled that such racial quotas were illegal. The Court, however, agreed with the principle or theory of affirmative action. ... In a landmark decision in 2003, the Court ruled that a public university could consider an applicant's race during the law school admissions process.

Quote: Dalex64

That's discrimination, not racism, .

The meaning of racism has expanded
and means more than it does in the
dictionary version. You do realize that
gay, for instance, means something
totally different than happy and carefree.
Snowflake no longer means just snow. Cloud
has changed. Text means more than the
words on a page. Viral has been expanded,
tweet is more than the sound a bird makes.

Racism means far more now than it did
25 years ago.

So how’s Donald’s “success” with North Korea going today?

I hope he hadn’t already made a space on his mantle for that Nobel Prize!

Quote: ams288

So how’s Donald’s “success” with North Korea going today?

Too bad Trump was the first to say
"We'll see" and "Wait 6 months
before we celebrate". He knows
better than anybody that a done
deal isn't done till it's over.

Quote: Evenbob

Too bad Trump was the first to say
"We'll see" and "Wait 6 months
before we celebrate".

If only the right wing talking heads had listened to him....

Quote: Evenbob

The meaning of racism has expanded
and means more than it does in the
dictionary version. You do realize that
gay, for instance, means something
totally different than happy and carefree.
Snowflake no longer means just snow. Cloud
has changed. Text means more than the
words on a page. Viral has been expanded,
tweet is more than the sound a bird makes.

Racism means far more now than it did
25 years ago.

I believe all of those words can be looked up in one dictionary or another.

What you are doing is supporting the continued misuse of the word racism.

The urban dictionary even addresses this:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=racist

Quote:

As you can see this word is grossly over-used and mis-used. It's truly pathetic. I pity the world. The truth is racism is ignorance and is bad. But not everything is racism and not everything has to be about race. Hope you learned something!

Supporting the misuse of the word racism makes it a lot easier to put the label on someone like Donald Trump.

But if you like and support the expanded meaning of the word racism, then good luck not seeing it applied to people and causes that you support.