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Quote: FrGamble

I don't think it would change much at all. If you wanted to speak intelligently about the New Testament you would either need to trust in some authority and have a really good working knowledge of ancient Greek, ancient near east history, Church history, etc.

Why? I don't need to do those things personally, the Jewish Church already has.

As for trusting some authority, that brings us right back to your authority not being able to prove that they are the one true authority, or disprove that the other churches are not authorities.

Both the Jewish Church and the Islamic religion dispute some key points about things, including the nature of Jesus.

Can you prove they are wrong?

How many centuries have both of them thought about these things?

How is their ancient Greek, and Hebrew? How is yours?

Quote: Dalex64

As for trusting some authority, that brings us right back to your authority not being able to prove that they are the one true authority, or disprove that the other churches are not authorities.

Yes, one of the things we all need to do is examine the evidence concerning who to trust about certain things and then believe in them or not. If you want to know about what the Bible says about Jesus Christ it makes sense for me to trust the authority that first put the Bible together in the first place and the authority that reflected on these Scriptures for over a thousand years until other people started claiming that authority for themselves.

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Both the Jewish Church and the Islamic religion dispute some key points about things, including the nature of Jesus.

I would trust a Rabbi or an Imam to tell me what the Jewish or Islamic faith taught including what they believe about Jesus. Of course they all cannot be right, so you could examine what they say and compare that to history and other evidence to come to the truth.

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Can you prove they are wrong?

About Jesus, I believe so. However, some of that would be based on my personal experience but that wouldn't be the only evidence that would show that Jesus was truly God and our Savior.

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How is their ancient Greek, and Hebrew? How is yours?

My Greek is much better than my Hebrew.

Quote: FrGamble

About Jesus, I believe so. However, some of that would be based on my personal experience

All of it would be based on your personal experience
and the hearsay experience of others, just like
in all religions. If just one religion could be
proven true, we would all flock to it, even
atheists.

Outside of your own personal experience is what your atheism based on? As I've said many times it is more than the experience of billions of people that support the evidence for God. Think of all the many things you believe without proof. If you need help start with your idea that there is no God.

Quote: FrGamble

Outside of your own personal experience is what your atheism based on?

Common sense, what else. I have no personal
experience with Santa, the Bunny, god, or any
other fairy tale..

Quote: Evenbob

Common sense, what else. I have no personal
experience with Santa, the Bunny, god, or any
other fairy tale..

I guess common sense is not that common.

Quote: FrGamble

I guess common sense is not that common.

Not for a Catholic. I was watching a
movie made from a book written
almost 100 years ago. A woman
was at a convent and was asked
what her religion was. She said she
was Church of England. The Mother
Superior stated: "So you don't believe
much of anything, do you."

It shouldn't, but the arrogance of the
Church always astounds me. Later,
the woman tells her husband that the
nuns do great work in the village. It's
in China. The husband says it comes
at a price. The Chinese always had too
many kids, and when a girl baby was
born to a family that had a couple girls
already, the nuns would offer money
to them for the girl to be raised in the
Catholic orphanage. Girls were not
wanted anyway, so they almost always
let the nuns take the baby.

This was a common practice in China, it
guaranteed a brainwashed adult woman
who would have lots of Catholic kids. An
insidious practice by the Church.

Ha, only you Evenbob could say that saving a infant girls life was an insidious practice by the Church. Get outta here man.

Quote: FrGamble

Ha, only you Evenbob could say that saving a infant girls life was an insidious practice by the Church. Get outta here man.

They did the same thing with the orphanages
in Calif 300 years ago. Give us your kids, we'll
feed them and school them and make good
little robot Catholics out of them. Worked like
a charm. No different than Mom Teresa's real
goal of baptising the dying, not easing their
pain. She could have cared less about that, as
many have testified.

The Church was the first entity to have a long
term planning strategy. They were always
looking 200 years down the road. Now it's
all crumbling around them because of their
over reaching and greed. A story as old as time.

Quote: Evenbob

They did the same thing with the orphanages

So again, rescuing children from the streets or death is some insidious plot on behalf of the Church. Words escape me.

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No different than Mom Teresa's real
goal of baptising the dying, not easing their
pain. She could have cared less about that, as
many have testified.

How dare you imagine you know the motivations of Mother Teresa. Why do you think she bathed, fed, and cared for the poorest of the poor and dying? So that she could make these people the world has forgotten about in robot Catholics as they took their last breath. She did not baptize anyone against their will, you would be amazed at the gratitude of people some of whom are receiving loving care for the first time in their lives. The people who have testified and accused her of wrongdoing are NOT the people who are receiving her care. For you to say she didn't care about easing their pain sickens me and shows the depth of lunacy you are willing to promote. It pains me that your mind is so twisted.